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"I a sweater because the old one Just wore a 
hole through the clbov;. The boys in the office have 
been vjatchlng for my shirt to show through and the 
Dusponsc v;as terrific but its all over now and I have 
to get a nexy one. My friend cane down from VJochlngton 
(the boy vjho owns the drug-store — Sobell) looking for a 
new Job. Ho may be transferred soon. 

’’How's Sammy making out? Give mo all the ghastly 
details. There's nothing more to report. Greetings to 
the family. 


/s/ Willy 

’’P.S. Has Sammy heard any more about the thesis?” 


That likowico among the above mentioned 
correspondence was the following letter dated October 
19^1, written by VJILLIAM PERL and addressed: 

"Dear Anne, Joe, Eleanor, Bobby”; further that "Joe'' 
is her husband, JOSEPH P. BLUM; that "Eleanor" is her 
daughter; and that "Bobby” is her son ROBERT. 

"Dear Anne Joe, Eleanor, Bobby, 

"Thank you all for the birthday greeting (hackneyed 
thougli it vias) . If you'll send me a list of BLUM 
birthdays I'll likewise untersheiss VJestern Union. 

"I'm horrified at the epidemic VJhich has struck you. 

I trust that, like Phoenix, you'll all rise from the 
ashes again. How did Eleanor come through the 
tonsils? Teach her to rend, villi you, so I can have 
some private correspondence with the young lady. Anne 
has all my sympathy for her numerous family woes. I 
know hovi you feel, Anne, didn't I once wash BLUM 

diapers C: mind the kids myself?' 

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"Ay ovjn situation these days -is- far from unusual. The 
woric I do at the field is so secret, I don't Icnovj vjhat 
it’s all about myself My spare time is, as usual, 
devotod to sox Qfnd books (this week sox, next week 
study). All in all, a slightly weird existence. 



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''I'thinlc I'm Rolnc to otart saving up monejs and leave, 
for a ti’lp abroad some day. 

"a friend of nine just quit hio $2S00 a year job 
to go back to school C: study radio. Not a bad idea in 
the long run. If not for noncy I'd do it, too. 

"VJcll, regards to each and every nonber of the house- 
hold including the kittens. 


"yours , 

/s/ "Willie" 


That during an interview with Special Agents 
Harold P. Good and Edward J. Cahill, New York Office, 
Federal Bureau of Investigation, on July 26, 1950, the 
above mentioned correspondence vjas voluntarily turned 
over to these Agents. 


JOHN D. i-iAHONEY, 

Special Agent, 

Federal Bureau of Investigation 
Albany, Hew York 


Can testify: 

That on July 20, 1950, he made an authorised 
search of the premises of ALFFJLD and LOUISE SARAOT at 
Cayv\ga Height s .Road, Ithaca, New York, and that this 
search vias made under' a written waiver of search 
dated July 19> 1950, and signed by ALFRED SARAHT, 

That during this search, ho located in the don 
of SARANT'c home, a letter dated April 8, 19^5 > which 
reads as follovjs: 



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"Dear Joel, 


"April 8 , 1945 


"Guitar received with all chordc in good order. 
Alee letter. VJill pay you balance vjhen I next cce you. 

"About vacctioninc this oummer even the 
thought of carrying a canoe appeala to nc. V/hat would 
you aay, however, to taking a cabin or two by the choree 
of corae Minnetonka or otlicr, vilth canocc available for 
chort excurcionc into the Hinterland? A fixed bace 
of operations, say in some state park or other, can make 
things right comfortable, particularly at night. Let 
me hear from you further on this vital subject, as to 
where, vJhcn, vjho, etc. I can take a tvjo vjcck vacation, 

I think, just when, I can't say yet. VIhat'c Morty doing 
for a vacation? 

"Life is the usual humdrum routine. The viar 
reverberates peacefully all around me. They cay it 
will soon be all over. That vjould be nice. 

"VJhat do you think of myrfcw literary style as 
Imbodied in the previous paragraph? It is intended to 
be blood curdling. 


"Lot's hoar, 

"Hetty and Hill 

"P.S. Ever heard of Candlewood Lake in Connecticut? 
Nice place. State parks on one side." 


That he identified t.his letter by placing 
in the upper left-hand corner his Initials "aDIl" together 
with the date "7/20/50". 


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Appropriate Technician 
F. I. Laborotor*:,’' 

Federal Bureau of Invcctisation 
V/aohington, D. c . 


Can testify: 

That a comparison of the handviriting on the 
above letter dated February 4, 1940 with knovin specimens 
of the handwriting of VIILLIAM PERL reflects that this 
letter was, in fact, written by him. 

That a comparison of the handwriting on the 
above letter dated April 8, 1945, with known specimens 
of the handwriting of WILLIAM PERL reflects that this 
letter was, in fact, written by him. 


JOSEPH L. VJERTZBERGER 
Director 

Naval Records Management^ center 
Naval Supply Depot 
Mechanic sburg, Pennsylvania 
(or an authorized representative ) 

Upon issuance of a subpoena duces tecum, will 
produce the Departme^-jt of Navy Personnel file of MORTON 
SOBELL, and testify therefrom: 

That MORTON SOBELL was employed as an engineer 
at the Bureau of Ordnance, Department of the Navy, 
VJachlngton, D. C., from January 27, 1939 to October 1, 
1941, when he resigned to pursue studies at the University 
of ' Michigan . 

That this file contains a Personal History 
Statement dated May 20, 1941 and signed by MORTON SOBELL, 
which reflects that he was born 4/11/17 in New York 
City,- and that his father Is LOUIS SOBELL, 5816 Catherine 
street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. That on the date of 
tho completion of this ctatoj'iient , SOBELL resided at 
2225 N Street, N.VJ-, VJashlngton, D. C. 


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.. .. That under Section 23 of thio Perconal Hictory 

Statement, there are net forth the namco of five perconc 
hovin£ knovjlodce of SOBELL'o experience and ability; 
that among theoe namoD ore Mr. V/ILLIAM WUTTERPERL, 

197 Mclrocc Avenue, Hampton, Virginia, and Mr. MAX 
ELITCHER, 2225 K Street, N.VJ., VJaohlngton, D. C., both 
of vjhoce occupationo were lioted as electrical cnsincero. 

AIBERT M. DEMONT 

Adndnlctrativc Acciotant to the Manager 
Aeronauticc and Ordnance Syctcnc Divisionc 
General Electric Company 
Schenectady, Hew York 


That the perconnol file of MORTON SOBELL 
contalnc an undated U. S. Navy Form completed by SOBELL 
in connection vjith hie request for certification and 
credentials to viorlc on U- S. Navy contracts; that this 
form reflects that SOBELL was residing at 213 Seward 
Place, Schenectady, New York; that he was born 
April 11, 1917 at New York City and that his father is 
LOUIS SOBELL, 5640 Catherine Street, Philadelphia, 
Pennsylvania; that he graduated from City College of New 
York in June, 193S; that he was employed from January, 

1939 to September, 1941 by the Bureau of Ordnance, Depart- 
ment of the Navy, V/ashlngton, D. C.; and that he attended 
the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan from 
September, 194I to May, 1942. 

That this form lists as references: V/ILLIAM 
MUTTERPERL, I6808 Madison Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, 
aero engineer, vjhom he had knovm for eight years; and 
I4AX ELITCHER, 247 Dclav;arc Avenue, S.VJ., VJashington 4, 
D.C., an electrical engineer v;hor.i he had knovm for 11 
years . 


That MORTON SOBELL received a Certificate of 
Identification and necessary clearance from the U. S. 
Now to work on Navy contracts and have access to the 
Naval facilities, on June 24,-1944; that this form, 
therefore, must have been completed oometime in 
May, 1944. 

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Appropriate Official 
Civil Service Corurdccion 
VJDshlngton, D. C. 


Upon iDDuancc of a subpoena duces tecum, 
vjlll produce the personnel file in the name of LOUIS 
SOBELL and testify therefrom; 

That LOUIS SOBELL v)as employed at the 
Philadelphia Navy Yard, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 
os an ensineering draftsman from Ausust 27, 1940 to 
Decor.ibcr 6, 1945. 

That LOUIS SOBELL received a B. S. Degree in 
Civil Engineering from the Cooper Union Institute, New York 
City in 1915 and a Ph. G. Degree from Columbia University 
in 1923. Prom 1923 to 1926, LOUIS SOBELL vjas employed 
os a registered drug clerk at the ELDER DRUG COMPANY, 

1519 V/ectcheotcr Avenue, Bronx, New York, and from 
May, 1926 to August, 19^<-0j he operated his own businese 
ct 555 VJestchester Avenue, New York City, 
and that this buoiness xjas 0 drug store, \'Jhich LOUIS 
SOBELL lost to his creditors in October, 1940. 


Mr. A. HUSS 

646 St. Anno Avenue 

Bronx , Novj York 


Can testify: 

That he has ovmcd the apartment building at 
646 St. Anno Avenue, Bronx, Ne^-j York sinr.o 1932, and that 
for several yearc prior to 1940, the LOUIS SOBELL family 
resided In an apartment in that house . 

That he recallo LOUIS SOBELL ovined a drug 
otorc at t?ie intersection of VJootchcstcr Avenue and St. 
Anns Avenue, Bronx during .th© 1930*0; that he recalls 
MORTON SOBELL as LOUIS SOBELL *0 con, and that he caw him 
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That he himcelf frequented LOUIS SOBELL’s 
druc' store several tinoc per week during thic period, 
and recallc oceing MORTON SOBELL in hie father '0 drug 
ctorc on several occasions, but does not recall that he 
v;as employed there. On those occasions vihen he savj 
MORTON SOBELL in the drug store, MORTON had apparently 
dropped in for the purpose of seeing his father. 


3 . Evidence of Perl's Acquaintance 
and Association viith JULIUS and 
ETHEL ROSEi^ERG 


■ MAX ELITCHER 
l64-l8 72nd Avenue 
Flushing, Nevi York 


The testimony of this vjitness concerning 
PERL's acquaintance and association vjith JULIUS and 
ETHEL ROSENBERG is contained in the testimony under his 
name as set forth above. 

HEJjEilE ELITCHER 
l64-lG 72nd Avenue 
P 1 ushing, Nevi York 


The to.stimony of thic vjitnoco concerning 
PERL's acquaintance and association with JULIUS and 
ETHEL ROSEIBERG is contained in th.c testimony under her 
name as set forth above . 

Ij-, Evidence of Perl's Acquaintance 
and Association with. and 

IIEIJSNE EJ MTCliER 


MAX ELITCHER 
l64-l8 72nd Avenue 
Flushing, New York 

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The testimony of thic witness concerning his j 
acquaintance and association ;^ith V.’ILLIAM PERL is contained 
in the tostlmo^i^ set forth above under his name. 

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liELElE ELITCIiER 
l64-l8 72nd Avenue 
Fluching, Now York 

The tCDtlnony of this vJitneoD concerning her 
acquaintance and asaociation with VJILLIAM PERL lo 
contained in the testimony cot forth above under her name. 

VINCENT J. CAHILL 
I¥iURICE VJ, CORCORAN 
Special Agents 

Federal Bureau of Investigation 
Nev} York, New York 

Each of the above witnesses can testify: 

That on September 20, 1950, VJILLIAM PERL, 

MRS. ilELENE ELITCIiER and others appeared at the office 
of Assistant United States Attorney Myles J. Lane, 

Southern District of New York, U. S. Court House, Foley 
Square, Nevj York; that this group sat together in the 
reception room to Mr. Lane’s office for a short period of 
time and after that they went to the Grand Jury Room. 
Further, that in the hallxyay en route to the Grand Jury 
Room, MRS. ELITCHER confronted PERL, at which 
time Special Agent Cahill asked him if he knew the 
identity of this woman; that PERL hesitated. and then 
stated that he did know her; that he then said "Hello 
Helene", to which she replied, calling him " 3111". 

She then said "I recognized you before vjhcn you came 
Into Mr. Lane’s office". PERL replied, "I. 
recognized you too, but I guess I vjas inhibited" . 

That PERL was questioned .'•.•';;.ern.ing his 
acquaintance and association vjlth ELITCI/ER at 

that time, and he declined to discuss the mr.tior further. 


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VI. BACKGROUND SICETCHES CONCERNING SUBJECTS 
A. WILLIAM PERL 

WILLIAM PERL was born WILLIAM RUTTERPERL on 
October 1, I 91 Q at New York City. Hie parente a.rc 
ABRAHAIl and SARAH MUTTERPERL. Hie name wao legcllY 
changed to WILLIAM PERL by Court Order on Jonuari'- 4, 

19 ^ 5 j Docket No, 358930^ Probate Court of Cuyahoga 
County, Cleveland, Ohio. 

PERL at tended high cchool in the Bronx, New 
York, and attended City College of Nev; York from 193^ 

. to 1938 , when he received a Bachelor of Electrical Engineer- 
ing Degree. In 1939^ he received a Raster of Electrical 
Engineering Degree frorn this inatltution. He later 
attended California. lootitutc of Technology, Pacadena. 
California, for one ten:! in 19 ^ 6 , and from 19^6 to 1946, 
ho studied at Columbia University, New York City, from 
which he received a Ph. D. Degree in February, 1950- 

WILLIAM PERL has been employed by the NATIONAL 
ADVISORY COrailTTEE FOR AERONAUTICS from 1939 through 19^3 .at 
Langley Field, Virginia, and from '1944 to 194$, by the same 
committee at the Cleveland Airport, Cleveland, Ohio. From — 
1946 to 1948 , he was in a leave -without-pay status, further- 
ing his education, as stated above. 

In June, 1948, PERL returned to NACA and 
was employed there until September 1, 1950, as an 
aeronautical research scientist. Ills duties as such 
have been described as the theoretical analysis^ of 
physical problems in fields of solid state physics and 
aerodynariiico . He has been engaged jn jr'obloms concerned 
primarily vjlth the chape of airpla* 0 vtungs ■ '.nd with the 
design ctudics of the guidcd-misoile project, and vias 
indirectly interested at one time in the matter of jet 
propulsion. 

, In September, - 1950‘> he resigned from NACA 
to accept a position as instructor in physics at 1 

Columbia University, Now York City. 


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On October 21, 1950, he r.iarriod HEMRIETTA 
BOYD SAVIDGE and Is currently rcsidlns with her at 
104 East 38 th street, Novj York City. 


B. r-lICHAEL SIDOROVICH 

MICHAEL ALEXAI'IDER SIDOROVICH was born at 
Now York City, July 6 , I 916 . His parents, ALEXAIOER and 
SOPHIE SIDOROVICH, are presently rccicUnG at 334 East 
9th Street, New York City. He married ANNE HAHUSIAK at 
New York City, August 23, 1941, and has a daughter, 

AWrtEk A.NHE, born at Cleveland, Ohio, May 9, 1949. 

He graduated from Stuyvecant High School, 

NevJ York City in 1935 ^ and attended City College of Novi 
York Evening School from September, 1935 to January, 1936, 
and Brooklyn Polytechnic Institute, I 939 to 1940. 

He resided at 10 Monroe Street, New York 
City in 1942 - 43 , and in 1943 # moved to Chappaqua, New 
York, where he and his vilfc resided until Dccei.;ber, 1944, 
at vihich tine they moved to their present address, 

8706 Carnegie Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio. 

He vias employed as a draftsman viorking on 
classified Navy contracts at the ICollmorgcn Optical 
Corporation,.. 2 Franklin Avenue, Brook}yn, Now York, from 
July 9> 1941 to October 14, 1944. He is presently employed ' 
as a draftsman at the GAS MACHINERY COMPAl^Y, Cleveland, 

Ohio . 


.. .. He is an admitted fonner mcr.iber of the Young 

Com;nunist League in New York City and ahaont from the 
United States from November 3> 193V 00 keor-aary 4, 

1939» vjhile serving in the International Brigade in 
Soain. Ho has advised tliat he is 0 friend of JULIUS 
and ETHEL ROSENBERG. 


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C . ANNE SIDOROVICH 

AM'IE HAWSIAK SIDOROVICH wao born July 4, 

1918 at Nevj Haven, Connecticut. Her parents arc 

PETER and TECKLA HANUSIAK presently rocidlnG at 20 Center 

Street, Nov/ Haven, Connecticut. 

She married MICHAEL SIDOROVICH at New York 
City, August 23f 1941, and has lived vJith him to date. 

She graduated froi.i Nevj Haven High School 
in 1935, and approximately one year later, attended 
Stones College, New Haven, Connecticut, a business 
school, for one cer.iooter. 

From 1939 to 1941, she has stated she attended 
the Metropolitan I-iucid School, Nev/ York City. She has 
also attended evening; classes at Western Reserve 
University, Cleveland, Ohio. 

From October, 1943» to January, 1944, she was 
employed at New York City by RAYMOND MARINE LLI > INC. as a 
drccsrnclcer and frora 1946 to 1948, at the LINDER COMPANY, 
Cleveland, Ohio, as an assistant buyer. 

She has advised that she is a friend of 
JULIUS and ETHEL ROSENBERG. 


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ADMINISTRATIVE 


This is a joint report of SA Maurice VJ. 
Corcoran and the roportins ageist. 

Copies of this report have been designated to 
Interested offices for inf oriiintlo.) purposes. 


Reference: Bureau letter to New York, February 14 , 

1951 


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APPEAL ADDRESSES 


Civil Service Commission 


Mr. Donald J. Biglin 
Assistant Executive Director 
Freedom of Information and Privacy 
United States Civil Service Commission 
1900 E Street, N. W. 

Washington, D. C. 20415 


Coast Guard 


United States Coast Guard 
Department of Transportation 
4007th Street, S. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20590 


Com merce 

Freedom of Information Appeal 
Assistant Secretary for Industry and Trade 
United States Commerce Department 
Washington, D. C. 20230 


Customs 


Assistant Commissioner of Customs 
Office of Regulations and Rulings 
United States Customs Service 
1301 Constitution Avenue, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20229 


Department of Energy 

Department of Energy Headquarters 
Department of Energy Appeal Panel 
Freedom of Information Officer 
Washington, D. C. 20545 



APPEAL AD3RESSZS 


National Archives and Records Service 


Dr. James E. O'Neill 
Deputy Archivist 

National Archives and Records Service 
Washington, D. C. 20408 


National Labor Relations Board 


Office of Appeals 
National Labor Relations Board 
1717 Pennsylvania Avenue, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20570 


Naval Investigative Service 

Judge Advocate General (Code 14L) 
Department of the Navy 
Washington, D. C. 20370 


Naval R e cords r- lanagement 

Judge Advocate General (Code 14L) 
Department of the Navy 
Washington, D. C. 20370 


Off i ce of Naval Intelligence 

Judge Advocate General (Code 14L) 
Department of the Navy 
Washington, D. C, 20370 


Passport 


Ms. Barbara Ennis 
Freedom of Information Staff 
Office of Public Affairs 
Department of State 
Washington, D. C. 20520 



APPEAL ADDRESSES 


Post Office 


General Counsel 

United States Postal Service 

Washington, D. C. 20260 


Secret Service 


Freedom of Information Appeal 
Deputy Director 
United States Secret Service 
Room 944 

1800 G Street, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20223 


Selective Service 

Director of Selective Service 
1600 E Street, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20435 


State 


Ms. Barbara Ennis 
Freedom of Information Staff 
Office of Public Affairs 
Department of State 
Washington, D. C. 20520 


Veterans Administration 

Administrator of Veterans Affairs 
810 Vermont Avenue, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20420 







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-XCeipL of a vriticn statement of DAVID u;:EZIK -LASS ^ dated 

July 17^ ir‘5‘d* in GO far as it purtains to and 

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"....About F'truary^ RDTT niov-jd to r^lbuoucrqu , v !>:xicc. 

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bomb. As I recall, AIT T’ was aipposud tc com-- to Albvqut ^nue ab^'Ut *ihc latter 
part of May and RUTH v7ar t.c walx in front of th'- ster- at a certain time on 
thrc'e different consecutive nays until the oicetiny with '"JTDT should be nade. 
This mooting, huvov-er, occur- u. 


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i 

DETAILS: 


About Jun: , 19^5/ nan cant. t<- tno apr.rtrt.ont vh-^rc m'j vif.. RUTH 
vas living at 2h9 Aorta High Screot, Aibv.quorquc , lA.w vexieo, lAi h<vi with 
him a torn pioc of cardboard vHiicii matci • d " trra pi: co oi c'v^flt'arc J 


had been furnisii-'d as e m-.-nna oV id ntiihiag V\. 
furnish informnLaon coacurning trio C;to.mi< bomb, 
time vhethcr my half of the l orij cardboard vrar : 


r. rjon to \r'/ n 3 vac to 
T a::, anabl-. t.; re call at 
urniahu.] to by JIUUUS 


this 


RCSEKBERG durin(; iny January, I>^5 furloufn in D''''V Y^rk City >r thv r 
ROSENBEivG hrd given it to my vifo KVI'iI tc oiv: t v m* vii<. i'. r,]\. m: e- d to 
Aibinucrque :r. P brUvUry, ilua m'-n '.!■:> hod th ^ i d. rh i f i cat ion, 

I buJieVk., introduc' d hi:as,lf t ^ !'*• ;ij r/AH", alta' Cyh J 'r*. nj' certain cf the 

name he used; Hf vr.v^- r , . datj ;• r ..'uyn'ixd icn’. various 

nc.wspapers as V; .in'' At the tin. GJ.. D cu .• to in luquerque v 

in 1945 , “T I’urniur d aim vith n li-t of na:*' c of poratns onipicyed at 

the Los Alamos •'.tom bo):! oroj-*ci. whetn I theupht rcigiii b. ideoioyi.cally suited 
for r*. cruitment to furni.h. ir.f* -rnation to t]:o hus...i.ans conu'cning the atom 
bomb and I aleo gave liic, n s"'. L'^ii of n hiph cxplr-sivc lous moU which vas 
an experienent to study implosion ' ffecvs on n ct- el tube to understand the 


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Iad< 'Iphin ( jnfo) 
i-3an Francisco (info) 
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effect it .vould nave on uranim. so that it could bu d-' t rTTiar.-ad 

ho'.v a critical rr.ass could bi.-.- ui-rivcd at ’'.hich v.-o'uld not '-xplodv. b^rfore 

dotonation. 

I had a furlcupj'. fren Lcs Alan-.os about Pc-ptarb-; r, 19L‘5, v;nich 
I spent in rv_v.' York City. Almost as soon an I rot tc i:"’" York City, 

JULIUC’ ROSSITPERG f.ot in touch v.lth. me and I m'.-t him on th'. street 
somev.horc in the city, i^t that tim'.'; I iurnaniivd 'OREnBE;'.'! 

vdth an unsn-'ilod env-.lnpc containing tht infermati on I '.ad b-. fr, .able 
to rather conC''rning the a-tom bomb a.’j v.a-ll as a couple oY skatch-js 
of molds vnnich make up the atom bomb 

The pf»rson nam-nd .-.kl'E, m^ntion-. d above-, v/ho v.ar. supnos ■ i to have con- 
tacte;d HUTH in Albuqu -rquc, Nev; Mexico, is ir.arri'. d to MIKE, v.'hoso last 
name I cannot recall , I do not kno'.v vehethrr I ever met .I 'IE but 
have a vague impression cf having met her cnoe at th- hime cf JULTU5 
ROSENBERG, I r.-!T'.„!;ibc;r tnot !.'T)-r?'' .atta-'-ded r-rool'.l:m Polyu-chnic Institute, 
Brookljm, i.’av; Ycr.'-c, vdiii-.- I v.-as tli-re in 19 'j 0 and I beliov.^ that he '.vas 
a freshman at that tim-. in tiv day school and probably v/ent on t.o graduate 
as I understand he is nov.' a pr'.du':t>.. u:i"Lne-..r , 

About the summer of 1916, ICKE con-.- to tne Pitt I achiii’ 

Products Company, Inc., end asked to s-.-e JUnldS ROSS’iBERG v.'ho v.-as 
not there at th-: time. H. told rrn. I b'eliev.i that h.- v.-as, tr..n v.or.-.ing 
at some vstablisim-nt in Ohio whicn I bcliev • nay be Gib'U.'v and 
Cox in Cleveland, Ohio. Mil:, is d^^scrib'.-d as followa: ag ■ , about 
32 years; h; i.rnt, 8ii_h! 9 M . v.'..ipht, 165-190 Hn.: I -il , h '‘Vy, 
muscular, solid; hair, blacl., bald in Center; ro Jiid n.ad, muscular 
j.av.’E, .smok' s pine and talks v.lt;, pirie in mouth, ru.kiy c^mrlexion, 
pood t-’cth; nationality, born in Unite,! S\,ai-os, of Hu.ssian or 
Ukrainian ancestry; h-:Lvy b.-ard, but omooth shaven 

ti 


The followinp is an excerpt of a state:ncnt furnished by HJTn GREENGLrvSS, 
July 17 , 1950 , in tin far .'ns it p-rtains to '''IKE "and I'.l'RIE 

" I return d to N.,vv York in th-.- -early part of Do n-.mb' r •:rd 

JULIUS ROS.ENSKRG came to S'.e rr... at my ayurtm' at 2-lh Rivingtr.n Str- t, 
N‘..v.- York City, and I told him tn-it D.'^V'T) :;rrce-d to do -.-.•hat n-.- ri-.'qir.st’ i. 


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»' I also pave JULIUS ROSSNBSRG the names that I rernembereri tnat DAVID 
had given Vts of t!''i'-? p-ecplc v;ho v'cro v.'orkrnp at Lon Alamos. 

I also toi-d JULIUS KOSEAUEriG about tna physical set-up of Los alamos 
as EU'/ID had told ne. JULIUS ROSSh'rSRG said he v/ould 'vait until DAVID 
roturnu'd to N'^v.' York on ids ‘ixpe’ctcd lurucuph to disc’.’.sc trns natter 
furth'er '.vith DAVID. 


A.bout a mriith lat>T, r,y husband DAVID rcti-.rru d tc 


; York 


City on furlouf; 


.u on'.' evr.iiinp Dii 


‘.-.•■.nt to J'.’LIl'S ROCi’BSRO'S 


aoartm-jnt at 10 f'cnroe Stro ,'t, iCev. Yor): City, •.vhe r 


:.vt JULTl'= and 


Sl’EERG and a vroT.an I knc'.v as 


. V 


nMIS and her husband MIKE 


I know^s old fraonds of JULIUS and STiaEL ROSE!:SE.Rd, and A.UKE and r'TKF, 
at that time iiV'. d at Ckappao.ua, Nov; York. i.UUE rer..':in'd at JULIUS 
ROSEKEERG'S apart- -nt for a short period of time an'd tieen left. 


II 


JULIUS R0RF';.'PF,RG arirod H-.VI’.') vn.at he vras dot nn an'd P, 
JULIUS R'lSUA’RERG h' '.vas working in thv enp'-rim 
DAVTD explain'.'d to JULIl'S ROSIX’DERG tint iJ‘ one 


.V’TD told 

shen at Los Alamos, 
e'roe''’ht in a sketch 


of a part h-s wanted mace, D. 1 .VID would r.iK it for him hi.'?'.j.-e DAVID 


was a machinist and tliis wa.o tlio type o.'i v;Drk It. did. I r call that 
JULIUS Rn.SR’.'DSRG a,cked liiVIi) how tne atom bonib was d- eonated but 


I do not recall wiat Di.ViD told JULI 'S. 


We all had dinner. dinn.-r JULIUS and ET:!--.! RO.SF;;.bERG, D.;VID 

and myself pat around talking. JULIUS told D.-VJ!'' v.ahaa nc want''d nirn 
to do, Ik did not want DivVlD to go out of n:s way to obt.ain information 
and he did not want DAVID to be obvious i’. v/h.ut he was aoinr. I did 
not undcrst.and w;,.ai., JULIUS and TL.VID '"jt ■ i .l'..ai.ng abeue hi caius-.; it, was 
of a t'-'Clmic.il n-ujre. 


Before we left JULIUS KOSEUI.E.RG’S apartn-nt, JULIUS ROSEK'rERG pro- 
duced thr cover from a J^llo box side, JULIUS KDSEliSE.RG, in the 
presence of his wife ETiiEL, LViVII) and n.y.sclf, cut this Jrllo box side 
in half in an irrenCLar nanne.r. One— half of this Jc llo box side 
JULIUS ROSENBERG g,ave. to D;iV.rD -''.nd JULIUS said that in would givi; the 
other half of the Jello box side to AUi'.'E, tin- woman w; o had beei. in his 
apartm-ir.t previously that same evening, JULIUS .RGGENPERG snici that 
ANNE would coma out to see us in New w^xico to get th'. information 
from D;>VID and that she v/ould produce th. matching’ half of th'- box side, 
I believe there was somu discussion by JULIUS .f(>3;U-IF-ERG of iiUUr, b^ing 
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Several days after p.f;iD had received the Jello box I'ro-a jriT^S 
P3RG, JULIUS ROS£K';r.RO car.' to ny .apartn^Tit -ini epok'’ to about 

DfvVID Kieeting JULIUS rCSEKbL-'S and an unidunti fivd r.a.. .'it a Itt-'r date. 
A day or so iat.':r, JULIUS H'jSSivrSRO r.'turncd lo rsy apart'o-Tit again in 
the ci^pning and JirLiUS RO-'SEP.-EnG and r..VID L-ft th' arartn.ent together, 
Dri-VID r-- turned to r.y apartr.nt about two hours lat r ':.d trla c.-i he had 
me>t somebody vh-ior. iv: had not t ian abl.^ to se-a too cl., .-rly because tne 
man k'ept his face in the darL 


D^.VID said that JULIUS. ROSE:. U.uRG intro tic-.rc 'i./'e to tia.s u.uknov.'n man 
saying 'This i-vTo" ' . but JULIUS did not t'll li.VIP v.'ho the 

man was or v.'../U , uti.t veio ......... . 


One Sunday morning in , ~ ..u, .. .. to our ai'i'-t-'n-int at 209 

North High Str.uTt, Albuou'. rqu... , M'.'v; G-.xico unci stici !.•: v;ar D.'.VB fro-m 
Pittsburgh. This mun rav-, uy husburd Pi.VTP ti. • retciurip half of the 
Jello box side, Thd.s trutr. told P.UTP v»'r.at i.ufor"’ation l.-e vvant'Cd ana 
D/WIP v;rOvi‘ dov.'n th-- inforoition requested and 1- )ld f is man to come back 
later. Tni.s man returned lat'.ir tivit .sar.'^ d.uy, at fh' uh tin- D.'.UID 
gave him son-: written iaform-'tion and in return P''U''T"' r'a..ived a sealod 
envelope from trij.s ricn,,.,, ” 


It is to bx"' not'd tliat P.-WIP wis i-ndici o by tie r-ed'Til 

Grand Jury, Santa Fo, N ];..,xicc 0:1 Jixly C, I9S0, TiaS inrii-'tr .at cir.rg'. s 
him with a violation of Snb-saction (A), S..ctlon }2f Titi u.'-, States 

Code, 

It is to be further net d th-t J'’LIhS R0S”h.‘'E".G i.e nr xx-M •' confiU'Od 
at the Federal Houor of D-t'-ntica, N".; York City, urud r fO&OjOOO bond, 
charged v/ith a violatioii uruL'.r Titj>. 50, Unit.'.-d Stat' u Co.i'e, .0 ctio.u 31, 
vfhich constitutes a conspiracy ta violate Title $2, U:'.it.-'d States Code, Section 
•32, Sub-Sc<ction (k.) 

review of the 19lt0 /-.nnual cf Brooklyn Polytechnic Inatituto, Brooklyn, 
New York, was macixi for studx nts witii tiiv given nam.. of ih't'E or b.TC.h'.EL. It 
w.as note-d that one ^aC^iAFL SIPOROVTCJ., 33b Ea.at 9th Str.. '.t, N v. York City, 
v;as a mc.mbe-r of the Civil Engin. .jring School cla.ts of 19b3. 

Tim name MJCiAFiL STPOHOVIC; wa.s sug'>-bed on July lb, 1?^C, to DAVID 
GHEENGL'.SS and he stated that v.’as tiie surname of th.^ individual h- knew as 
MIKE. 


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A photograph of :;IC.>.SL SIX.70VICH obtain.-d from rr. V.'. RUDD, 
Treasurer, Kollmorgen Optical Co’~poration, 2 Rranklan jAcuu- , Rrookly.e, 

Nev; York, v;)dc; v/as ottacn^d to the omployTnwnt record of I.'.IC.j.ZL SIPO.iOVICH, 
vras exhibit.;d tc DAVID CRl’DDGU.SS by JOHX e', LE'.:i3 on Julc 19, 1°50. 
GREEIJGLvSS identifif.u tne p/ioto an that of tiic individual ha r'.ferrtd to in 
his statement as th- husoand cf ihXJh. D.'VID Gr\,DE::DL.-iSS ■^■rot.. ti;- folio'.. ing 
statement on tiiC rcv,rsG side of th.e photograph: 

" This is a picture of D.TKi; SIDORTVIlh .vl;o is the husband 
of Ai'.h' wi -,0 v.-is to have r.ct m> or my ;'.lfe at D-onvt.r or 
A,lbT>querqu'o, to pick up information about the atom bo.T.b» 

/s/ d;.vid grf,"j:gl.ss 
July 19, 1953 
Ihi'vv Yorif City 

’DVitnosses j John 'A', Lenvis, Sp.;c, Ago., FBI, T-rYC" 


The aforementioned photo'Tapii and statement is being Tiair.tained on 
case file of this office. 

Th'; photograph of idlCi-AEL STDOROVICH s- ?ur..'C from Kallmcrr-;n Optico.l 
Corporation v.-as exhibited to GHFSXGUiSS and sh'. stated tio-t this '.vo.s 

the individual si. a kne'.'« a.s J IKE, the husb.-nd of ...XhE, S.he r-z' t. d that her 
hu.abind, D^.vID GHFDDGL SS, kni '.v yiihg pr' vious to 1955 . She .stated she first 

visited ROSEh’BE.aG ' S hom.. .ren a.-zht;. b. fore i ..r ;;; a;id t'’ t ..ft.r TC.'tvEL 

KOSEi'iPEllO’S birth, son of ,Il’Li:';r iiORE.'.BE.DG, s(.e ti.en sva- ."liiE mu .•.XhT, » 

together four or five tt::..? at tiie }{CSKhT'E,XO apartm.-.nt, ID ■ionro'’ Street and 
that the ROSEXBE?. IS iDp.'arcd tc be intioiate vatn /liC.'E and .’‘MKE, 

It v.'as else hei' imrr-...s.'-:ir-n that hlKE nay have loft Ne'.v Yor.k City because 
he was near sight-. d and iiad to (uv-e up h.LS work. In fact, she said she 
believed that was his reason for going to CJiappaqua to live on time farm. 

The follciv.'ing is an excerpt of a written st':tcmcnt of D;.viD 'jr-SS.;GLASS 
furnished July 19 , 1950 , in so far as it pertains to DICJn^EL and .nh'X’E SIf.OKOVICi 


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"In the firnt .veek of J-:nu:\ry, 19h?) v.’hal-- I '-t h'me 
in Ncv; York City on furlourh, ny v.ilv ---iid I vioitcd J^’L^k'S and ETHZL 
HnhEY’PFYlG at 10 ilor.ro". St,, York City, i'eYo At tna, tin. I v.-as 
introduce d by J'oliur, to Anne, v;}iO Julius sa^ d v;as V.i!'. wii'e. I 
k’le.v that Juliur '..r.r. raf>:;rrir.r to ^AlkC' Sidorovich .t.c •’ 2 ha j pr''Viousl,v 
knovn at Drociclyn Pelytt ch. The five of us t^lk-'-’O I'or a vd :.1'_ and then 
Anne left, I r -rb^-r tnat nnrio nut on lior coat ari v. she fot to 
ti'.r door tur.K'-il around a. id I caic for i,-:' to r-. .■ '■.I; r me to ’'iko, 

"Aj'ter Ann, left^Ruth and I and J’olius . nd Eth<.l i.r-d dinner to- 
geth.'r and spent tiao rest of tt".- evoniup in tlv aportra nt. After dinner 
wr. sat around and talka'O and Julius asked no vi.at I v.ar doinr: at Los Alamos, 
I explained to ia?r. that oomoon-. u'ould brin): t) m.. a sk. ten er drawing 
and that I 'tvoold nak.a parts in the r.achina sh ?p vahari 1 v. .:s ivorKing 
and soTT'.stiTiu.s I vjould rriake changes so that pa ’t v.'ould f’.;r.ction proocrly, 
Julius ask'.d me hen the atom bomb vans detonat ’d, I aid: n-t kno>'< at 
that time and so advised Julius, 

"Julius then told me v.'hat hr v.'anted nu tc gi^t in tre v;a;, of 
inforration for him fror. the Los Alamos project, H gave no a g{ neral 
description of ho\.' tho naveil atom bomb works. Juli".s ceutioned r.r 
against sticking out my neck in getting ti;' infornaticn for him and 
said I should be very careful not to be obvious, I*,v v;;fv and Ethel 
vi’erc list ..nine to the conversation bt. twi.-.(?n Julius a.td mys-lf and v;.:-re 
also talkiiig hr. tween thems'-lves. Tov.-ard tne end of th-. 'vanlng and 
before \vr left, Julius’ apartment, Julius got cut ti . si:l>. of a Jeilo 
box. IVhiln Hutb, F.t;.' 1 and I watcla d, Julius cut th si do af th- 
J'-llo box into tv.’o parts, vdtli a pair of scissors. Ha cut, the Siur, 
about half way tr.roufh r>trpi-ndicularly a.nd tin n cofitinued the rest of 
tho cut at about a )j 5 d-.f-r-c angl'-. Ih-. handed me th- po’*tion with 
the poirtod edge , 

"Julius ti)' n said that Anne, would he riv-' ,i the oti. r portion of 
the sid-" of thojrllo box, Hu then said that Anne vjonld moot either Kr.th 
or me in front of one of the main i.U' -at^rs in LVaiv .r, Colorado at such, 
time as I would have information that hi: wanbed about thie J.or- alamos 
atom bomb project. He rave me the impression that th..>-' arr;.nr' 'P.' nts 
were tentative. He told n.. that ,t.nne Had i.. ■■ i. th r. t.u' t niret -o 
she could identify us, and wo could recognic: h.or 


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Four photographs of AKN'E SIDO.'tOVICK vrert obtained by S.-. JOIH B. O'DONOOHUE 
at Clovoland, Ohio from ANNE SIDC;ROVICH and are identified as follo'.vs; 

Photograph 


Is of ANNE SIDOHOVICH on the left standing at the ontrince of 
10 Monroe Street, Knickerbocker Village, New York City. 

Photograph rfZi 

Photograph of AKI\E SIDOROVICK on the right standing in front of a 
wire fence. Date and place taken unknov/n. 

Photograph 

Photograph of AH-'IE SIDOHOVICH on the left with two uni'-ieTitifi-.d ■.v''reri» 
Photograph ^ii* 


Photoprapl, of ANNE and .t'ICH.-.SL SIDOHOVICH wlt-h an unknov.r. woman and taken 

in November, 19ii5. 

On the reverse side of photograoh -fl, R'JTH GHEEN0LVS5 wrote, "This is 
ANN SIDORiyiCii, wife- of July 31, i950 ~ RUTH nREENGIASS" , 

dn th'- reverse sid- ef photograph ^1, D..VID GHEEhGLVSS v/rot,, ''tnis is 
ANN SIDORIVICH, wife of .'/IfS , July 31, 1950 - D. GREE.'GL/-.SS." In w.ch case 
ANNE SIDOROVICH was idei.tified as th-. girl on t!ic left. 

On photograph jl2, HUT . GREEHGLvSS wrote in th-: right haiid margin of the 
picture, "This is .-.Kl; SIDO:UVICH, v.lfe of I,3KE, 7/21/50 - RUTH GREENGLASS". 

In this instance she drew a line to the figure on trie right of the photo. 

On the left hand margin, DAVID GKESNGLaSS wrote, "Tlds is ANN SIDORIVICh', 
wife of MIKE, 7/3l/50 - D, GREENGLmSS" . He also indicated th. vroraan on the 
right by drawing a line. 

On photograph ^3, RUTH GREE !.’GL-.SS wrote, "This is ANN STDOKlVTCi], wife 
of MIKE, .July 31 , 1950 , RUTH GREENGL',.SS" j in the upp' r n,argin oi’ the phetorraph, 
she drew a line to the v.oiTian sitting on the* left. 


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In th-_- lov.'or rargin of this photorraph, DAVIT GlT.Ei!?iL\SS v.Totc-, 

"Tnis is ANX SIDOrcTVICH/vvif e cf T'lKE, - D. OREF.HIUSS, July 31, 1950, "and 
indicated the v/o.Tinn on the left by an arrow. 

On the reverse sid-. cf pl.otorraph RVTK nT-jEiAlL'iSf' v.'rotv, "T;;is is 
AMv >S7r.0?JtlCH, v.lf-.- of J.TKD, July 31, 1950 - RUTH GRERXOLASS", and indjoated 
tiie won'.an'"bn the left by the fi{;ure 1, vatli a lin.' drav.n to ncr h-ad. 

On the r-'vers-: sid- of the sam photi'i^raph, GiAEl”,' IL.SS v.rctc, 

"This is AX'A SIDOrdViCii, v.lfo of IfTrCE, 7/51/50, DAVIT- ana idcnx-ified 

her as the women oh tii-, !(. ft. 

On the revoj'sc sid. of thd.s photo, DAVID GRSM'GL.SS wrote, "This is 
NIKE SIDORr/ICH, imsband of Ai!:;, 7/3i/50, D.f/ID GRE.5;:iGLr.SS", an(i indicated 
MIKE by drawing a line to the .male figare, in the cent-.r cf t!ic photograph. 

On the r -verse side of the .aarT' pl.otorraph., RTfr; GiiKKXGL'.S.S wrote, 

"T.'.is is MIKE STDORIVTCl.', Irasband of 7/31/50 - RTT; G:-'EE:v’GL. 3S.<^ " , .and 

indicated MIKE B'f dravdiip a line to the iii-ale fig-ar-. in th; c-.-nt'-r of ihc- 
photograph, 

FDTC,.7TCK 

S.-1 ROhE.RT L. SCT.VAT.TZ S'^cur-. d th-' f nllowi a.- i nf or--" at: rn cone erninr, 

MICii,IE.I STDOROVICH fr.'^m fc5r«sscr KT.- IP. 7 a ■ ;■ .--j ar.s . 

Rogi.'-^trar' s Offace, hrockl.yn Polyt chnia Ins ei tuV , - ai'-a.. ..-r ao!- Str-'ei., 

Brooklyn, New York; ~ ~ 

Ente-red Brooklyn P.-lyt chnic Institute S-.-pt.nb- r, 19?'9, 
born July 6, 1916, Nationality, A.ner: can, par- nts lius.-w .■•.r.. 

Pr-' viously att-ad- d Stuy.'-- sai.t High School, granu .t.d 
June, 1*^35* Pl.aa ‘d on peohatior. because of st-iii s J-.-.n; , 

19UO, Grigin.ally nroll- d C. E. course .and cfr.;.,’-.d to M. E. course. 
Transferred to fv.n.'ing se-.asion.s, Se.pt’.mbwr, lpi;r'. Applied 
for ro-ad-T.ission to day session Dacember 19, l'/ij5. ReauvSt 
refu.sed. Transcript of scholastic record \*.ajs sent to Care 
Institute, Cleveland, Ohio, December 15, 19-’.i5* 

rtt th-'. tj m' of rt -.vpplic.'ition in Do:c..!nb-r, 19.55, SinCGIOVICH fuia.ished 
);is address at that tir-.e a.s 8706 C-arnegi-; Avenu-a, Cl v.iai.d, Oi.io, SIDr/kO'IICH'S 
.jp;lication for adrds.sion to Brooklyn Polytechnic InatituL, sub.i 1 tV.d S-;-’ptenber, 
1939, reflect-ad tl-o following information: 


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lZCHh£L SIDOi’OVICH (NI.^N) 

33^1 Eist 9th Stri-ct, 

Manhattan 

S '.v/ard Park Kipn Schoal, Orant Strac-a, 

Ncv; York City, 1932-l?3h 
Stuyv-.sant Hifh School, l5th S tract, 

M. -.v York Citv, 193h-lQ35; rrodnotvl. 

School of Scionc^ and i'-c!-, C.C.N.Y., 

1 s. oicstcr, •:•/• ninj; r--.. s.-icn, cis- 
c on tir.u.'d 

N. 'vv York City 
United States 

Fatner, AL-'.0f, horn in aussia, 
cnployr.'d Clyd'. V:.llor.> Linen lcncsr.oroni3.u. 
Mother, SCPI.'TE, toini iiusni', .hourev.i i\: 

Previous E”U'loyr-':nt: ViTP.i, D.partr; 'nl of Sc'.v rs, A'p^,,rp Honpitals, 

D'-pa-t"!'.nt of puDlic i7cri:n, (nr redron) 
also r.iscf.lla,] our. edi jobs of no long 
duratior, suer, as ci^, speng-.r, clerk, etc. 

In an.s'.v.'.T to qu'-.rtjor, hov.’ h.. b ca-.., .i nt-’r, .pt' d in Polyt-cr.nic, 
SIDOROVICK vrrot^, "I vrort: .d v.'itn a gf-odunte •.■Ic.o-t ricai of Brooklyn 

Polytechnic who mis ci.icf of P:.rty"/( "Par^jy"- no-t. furth-' r idontifiod ) . 

In annv;c,r to t'co.iu.ation, .•.vhy a t:.cl.p.ic'tl ..ducaticn, SIDOHCVICH 
wrote, "a/echnical education is a p-.ssport to participation in t'i.i scientific 
advances which r.ak- cur r~j rn civilization ..•‘■at it in, I .','ant to cuik- ny 
contribution to t-. j..rc,T.:'c‘', ^ 

In '.n"-.'.'-'r h. qui stion, .my fri'.nrbr or r.jlativ.-c in cngin...rinr 
or cr.c-nistry, SIXIOVIC,. .'rote: ny of riy J'ri '.idn arc- •■.ltl'< r gradu'ute 

enfinocrs or enpir.-'.n'i rn: stud-rnt;:, pri ;cipally ii th- el.'ctrical, civil and 
mochanical engi n-. erinr" . 

In anpv;.?r to the qu-estion, Hiioh School activities most enjoyed, 
SIDOROVTCH wrote, "in the Physics and Hadio Clubs and the Ai.roniutical 
Society." 

In listing nis interests and hcbbi'us, ST DOfO' .‘IC!-! ..TOtc, 
short wave set building, airpl rn-c- models as hobbi.-js. 


Name: 

Addrass; 

Pr( vious 
Education: 


F-irfnpliC'’. ; 

Citiz'nstiip: 

Par...nts; 


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"SportE - svTirrjTO.np and handball, 
iv .oraation - chess" 

SirCKOVICH further stated that "rr.y parents ar^ financing: r.y 
tuition." 


AUV 

New York Eveninr; School^ 


liv, 


-dvisvu that ’'IC/iAEL 


school iron S^.pt.-'ab^r, 1535 to January, 193^. 
East 3rd Stroet, h’aw York, Now York, and Ik h. 
High School. 


Ci! 


’clla~'- cf 


SiLOuCVTCH i.ad atlar.d-, d th'. 
His a. it", so vas listed as 


evening 

7h 


ed i.T.'.au !■ d fror. 5 tu>'v:s..nt 


VH. SOrlHNX, Ev 

Brooklyn, New York, advis'-d that 
filled out Novor.bcr I 6 , 1936 , at wldch 
his address as 33 I 4 East 9tn Street, Ivav,’ 
att'indad evening school fro's FebruP*ry 1 
a course in the ■•ler,entE of surveyiag. 


ning School S' cr.'tar’^A Pratt Inrtitute,_ 
L STDancVlCH, iij an adrlssion card, 
time h-'' applied for adaii 
Y'ork Citv. Sri"' furtii r 


ion, furnished 
tatrd tnat he 


1937> to .'.pril 27, 3 '.'37 and h, took 


The records further r’_ritct h’ was born July 6 , a~l 6 , ar.i on 
the bacK cf nis card app'a'-ej hand.vritt'-n notation, "Iil? East 5t/ Street," 
whicJ'.fiss SCHLEi'iK dcrcriV/..d as a possible ci.angc- of addi'- r.s . 


S' TI.Oy''EK T 

Hr. V.'. i.. ;U>EC, Treasurer, Kollr.orccn Optical Ccrpcratica, 2 
Franklin avenue, .Brooklyn, New York, ir.adc- available to S.-> ri- .01? 1. GOOC, the 
OTiplo^nnent record of ?[Cl-i.EL SIDOaOVICJi. TnaS r-'cord ceataa: ■ a ; .:.fcr-r tion 
tijct SIDOiiOVICH was c-trloyed frer: July 9 , I 9 LI untaJ h i' r.*rr. ■.] Gcxvt'.r lii, 

19UU» He was employed as a c3raltS'-.'.’.n. 

Tl.'- record furtr, .r rnflectt-d Ije v/.iS born July 6 , 1^16, at haw York 
City, birth certificati ,71o2li97, social security nuiiib.. r l?l-07-2Lil6. He is 
m.arried and his addross .-5 on the Ti-cord v/.;re sho'.vn as foliovas; 


11 rt.VGnue "B", New York City 

33h East 9th Stree*t, Ne'w York City 

10 Tlonroa Str'’i. t, Ruildinr C, aiiartm' nt 12 B. 

Pont Oi'fiCc Box 953, Cnarpr;qua, Keev York, 

Telonl'ione CHwOppaqua 715. 

Mr, R!)DD stated that those address.. s did not noccssarily r -fleet 
the order in v.'hich he resided at the various nddi-esses. 


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SIDO.''OVICH’ s forr. r 'mplc;,"'!- r.t v.’'.;5 shcvm ir, 'lid'.' record to be 
ACS'V Mechardcal D. volcp:r..3nt Co-ripany v.lth no adcruso, h; •.v.r? er-ploy-:-d for 

three years, and ti;e V.’illiams Aercn-utical R .suarcii Cerporatien, no a:idr"SE. 
Mr, RUDD also iurnisned a pnopo-zrapn od SI'C:vOVIGH '.vnivh kvas attaciitd to ids 
emplo^THcnt record, 

KESIDD’.'CES 

3 UI East 19 th Stre5,t 
Nevf York City . 


The clv-ct:or. r,.c'ro5 of tr.' Git^ of Nc-'.v York r' rj...-ct that 
MICH/iEL SID010VICH reFistoj-c-d fror this aldr^ss 1937* 

336 East 9th Stre-t 
New York City 


The clir-ction records of ph.; City of N w York r- fl- ct that 
MICR--.EI. SIDOaOVICK ro'pr.tcri-d fron this address in 193b and IpaO. 

11 Avenue "B" 

Kav: y.rk City 


Th 


:ecliori r-.;cord3 of the City of 'U v.- Tori: r^ id'OL that 


laCR'iEL and .-dh.S SJDOi^OVJC;; r:.ri.;t-.r • d fror. this 


, ss in 1'7-hl, 


''d ^ and Cc-pany, Pwnuc, 

New York City, aavTsJe! 'ih-t tn’.'^conpany iraint.-ined ,iO i'-. cord, ni'acr to 19 2, 
but t'rn;re was a record of cn. h.lGi'AEL SIKO.iOVlCH, anartraant 5A» H Avenuc. "B", 
New York City, v.'i;o had rov'c-o out Octon-. r 3> 1912, 


10 Monroe Street 
Knickerbocker Village 
New York City 


Til- uloctioii rcicords of tl:o City of Ni.w York r;fj..ct tliat . ICiASI 
and AhKE SJDiOROVId!! si', rt d from ttds addr ss in 19.'i.?. 

Mrs. CYNTlj;. ITT'Dri:'? fXK, Kent. I Ya.a..,; .r ha S-.-or- tar: , 

Knj ckerbcckor Village, 10 Ucriroo Str -et, New York City, .advis ;d that one.' 



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MCKAKL SIDOROVICH and hi~ vdfe, AKYE, movad into 10 !''"'nroc- Street, October 3> 

I 9 I 42 and r.ovod out I'ay 1, 19 .'j 3, I’. ’-vinr a forwardinr ad -reso, 331 Ea.et 9th 
Str-^ot, H"V.- 'York City, /r?. ITST'^SASTOCK r-idv r.vailekj , tb- roT'r a.ny ’ 5 file on 
^CIC?IrtEL SIDOROVICH wnich r ■fl '-'cx.rd the follov.'inf infcr''.etio''. i 

On October 11, 1912, SIDORCV'ICH’S furnot'.ira v;ar. r.ovcd fron 
apartmunt GR-12 tc GF peiithouse , l^^rs, U?33F.r.S?0CK stat'd ti.j .. rrove v/a? probably 
for a short duration pentur." preparation ci ap'Ttrn'.nt QB-12 v,';,..re SIDOROVICH 
officially rosid'.d darinp nio stay ';t Knickerbock' r Viilay- . 

The file furth'T raflect^d a le-ttar frot SIDC-^OVICH dated 
Aupust 26, 19li3, postmark', d Chappaqua, IFr.v Yorl., conc-..-rninp unpaid rent. 

The return address was lisV'd as post Oi‘fic< Box 953, Ca^'p Fir-. iioaJ, 

Chappaqua, New York. ST?C.'.in'';iCi:'S or.pl oy. tv i.t >\as li -.ted as Kollr.crqcn Optical 
Corporation, 2 F'ranklin Av-- nuc, 3’"ooklyn, N'.-.*: Yopk, a.'- .a drai tr'-.:,»n. 

The r'l'coruo forth'T refl-ct. d that S ■ DC’.iCVlCii vrao ncv'od ^nto 
10 N'Onroe Stro'et, October 5, 19l2, by Gr.clcv.'its Movinp CoT.rany, !.15 and 6G7 
Utica Avenue, Brooklyn, and r.ov'-'i out "ay 1, 1913 by the fj'.tional r.'ovinr & 

Warehouse Corp.,"5l6 Wort iSlst hen.' York C.ity. 

An inquiry was rr.d et t!'i'. '^'ntior.ril hovinp Co”inany, 516 .-art 
iSlst Str< et, New York Citv, cor;-'. rninr th-. r:oviti,? 01 sub.i-. ot’s furnitur-_ from 
Knick-Tbock'ir Villare and^'. CaME li.’vvT of th- N-itional '■'ovi.'..- &■ Whsc- Corp. stated 
that the records .■.•■.•r> r.t'r-:d but .ha would ecus-, n s-'. arch to r -nd would 

furnish information as tc tl.e disposition and riest’ l..•lti of .'^ubj ct's furralture ‘ 

May 1, 1913. 

A c)i ck of th'. nr.il boX' S .at 33l Fast 9t.h Str ■ t, ‘.'■•w York City, 
reflects that thr occupant.s of ..I'artr nt 15 are I'i-'^t'd as, FJDCROVICH 

and MIC/AKI. SIDOROVlCir. 

AT c:-L.-iPrr,Q'J/M hTVii YO.R.K 

Th'. follovanp invostiiy.ti .on at Chappaqua, IF w Y^rk, was con- 
duct! 'd by S.'vS V.’lLLLi?'' J. .'wiLSH and THOi nC .4. ZOLLhh; 

Chujipanua is a villana. ir. t);.. uuincorporat'ud to'.vr.ahip of 
N'jw Castl',, tVf'Stc r County, N.w Yorl:. 


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Kr, C, J, FOoTvi^ ^n5i5t:int Postniastcr, Char>paquu, Iv??; York, 
advised th-t F .Ol'^’Hox ?53 '•■"■■- t:>' lcc:.t/'.d i;i tho post ofij ■re itsf,-!:". 

Records reflected e for.vardir,-^ ''di-ircsr for ri.-i abov-^ post oiric-.. box for or.' 
Jv!._,'SID0R0VICH, to 8706 Cnrs-ri Clovtlandj Ohio, f crv.'ordi eg .notice 

is 'dated Decenbor Ip, l?Jtb. ||P^"‘lT'‘iTriR steLcd that iLi records for thot^period 
are not available and tnat durir;g t.er.t tin-? forrriai anplicatio.n.' for box-' s were 
not taken. 

Rrr. V. .kOR f, Tax 01. rk, Tc-.vn of N..v.- Castle, ■..iviaau h'..r 
records rnflr-cPcd tJet .‘'JCrj.lL SIDOROVI C;; of Cnaopoqua, Kf.v York, on 
January 27, Ipiiij, bought Section 13, Shc-.-t 2, Parc-; 1 22A1 v.’nic). i.^^ located off 
Camp Fire Road. Tids gjrop'Crty '.vas bou.g.nt from C..RL and MiRCiAhST FELGSi; O.VER 
The FELG£iNH<iVFRS purchased the property on S'-ptcoib-r 23, 19.''b. 

SIDQivOVIGH sola tn'^ property, accor'iinr to '.^rr-. K.. <R.IS, c."' 

January 18, 19U5. to R0Sn’':0:<D A, and ?'ILDi’hdD C. of I'^o E .£t 52nd Street, 

New York City, 

Th.o record.'; furth'r reflected that the asscess-'i ] valuation of the 
property during 19*:li wns $500,00 on the land and $1800,00 on t:. inprovenents. 

The records rt-fl. ct that the pvcp'rty i.s presently ova.ed by hL’nd'.O L. and 
ELEi'iNOR PETTRA. whon d.rcribed as life-lonr T'- sj d'. nar of Chappaqua, 

lfr!rs. H,d(RIS anvir-'.d thau her r’:'e(.irdr- r‘fl-. ct d tlaat in lOlih, 
there v/cre nc clco. rriighboiao to the property ovvr,' d by SIOOiCC’.'’!.'^'' and that tho 
plac-c is located in a rural socludv d area widen j,.''; h nivily v<codc:d» 

hLi-R.Eli :',KrT;'.A , Canp i' ire Ho.ad, Civ.ppaqun, h iv 'iori:, ' 

that she e.nd her husband bourht ti.n- prep'-rty forrr.nriv ovaiad oy s;.?CR0VIC'' 
in August, 19i<7, frerr. thr I.tddlTR sisters, ?•!.■'£, I'ET'i.R.'. st-at-. d that n'''ith.:T she 
nor her husband kjieav SIDOiJOvICh ba-T, t'a-oy hud h 'arc of Idn fren Er. and I'lrs, 

E. A, MORRISON v;lic pr-.-'-cntly li /' v_r,y short dc.r-tanc-.: frorri tr.> f.-'ETTHA house. 

f/rs. i.'ETTRA v;as shovni pictures iurnisnad to the Now York Office 
by Nirs. RUT?: GhEEl';GI.ASS vd.ich showed JULIUS ROSENSEhG and his sen on thf property 
which was then ov;j...*d by SIDOROVICIi. Nu's, METTliA was of the opinion that thoc-c 
pictures vecro taken in a flat. area a short diste-nce west of th.; house <and v/herr. 
SIDOROVJCH had a chicken coop. This chick'. n coop w.'is locat'’.l jn back of uhc 
house and botwcon tiic house and a liigli tenr.ion povoir 1> n<; wide’; runs north and 
south about IqO yards v^cst of tho house, Mrs. rZ'i RLi ; x.amir.’. .3 cn' of th. 
pictures v/hich shows ilOSENBERG ' S son standing beside tnc- corner of a rather 


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dilapidated buildiaf , Sh' said 
is the chicken coop v.’hicr; tn- r.Z 
chicken coop ho' b'.-- n t^rn j'v;n 
ojitc-rior of houi'- look, 
ccrncd as ia did at t.’i:, ti'- t:;-. 


rh-. was of ah- opinion that trio br.il dinp 
hOdOVJCHl had bv.ilt b.l.ind ta-': hcnsr , Tliis 
i .r S'':...- ti . i'rr- . 'E.T';.'.! ■. rlvjs.-d tir.a the 
.s-.’i'. tea's, as far -s crnalr ar aion is ca-n- 
flDGlOVIChS C'vn-:.d it. 


Mr. E. s.. Canp Fir.*- .ioad, Ch-app: qt:. , 

advisr.d he v.-.a.'; bull din-' :'.in hor.-. '.t t.a • tin '.vd' n '"'C'j.T.] 
udjoininp rrope ’*ty. }]■- c;•^.al^^d ji* iiod consm rail- co;.\ arra 

SIDOr.Ov'TC;! d'r.rinf a burin rs dor.l conoi rrinp c. Jcir.t v-. ntar 
in gtttinq v.’at' r into 'oot!. of t!.^ i." pr.'.portirc j 3 

_ v/ater project v.'as .not coT,;C.;;t-..d '..afii F-.c-.mt'r 21, IJhu 'n.J 
SIDOROVICHS had loft to fo to Clr v.-l;.t;d, Ohio. 


iio'.v Y-'rk, 

'! ' M"'OVI' ov.'nc d the 
■.'.ith 

on th'.ir part 
tat- •; ti'.'it this 
b,,- this ti.-n the 


ric‘ furth-ar advisad tlf.t d'jrii.p th-: tin.. ta.^L, t,.- SIDOKO'.’KliS 
livnd in t.he hou^a they )v;d nsad :: II v.ater. The vv-. la v; n: i.a.t--i] /.t.ct of th-t 
house about half v;a„\ b-.-tv' -“-..n ti.-.- qo'.'.'-.r lin. nijd t:'.-' hour-., r-'C .11...': that 
he had a Spaniard '.vorkinj for h."" 0 :. Iain hoir. ana that SIEO .0,'TCH had talked 
to the Spaniard about Spaing H;. told ti:-.;; Sfoni'rd ti..at i'.r, SIDOiOVIC;:, 
had been in Spam as a r.;.r:.b. r of t!-. Abrahan. Li.’iooln iinip;: i. . ’'OrJilaOh 
stated that it is his rood J . ctio.. tii.at t.nc- Spaniard tela hm d-out it and that 
he, MOPdilSON, iater a.sl-.nd SlfOivGV ICi. about i,s ti^it. in Soai.n, SlEOdOVl'.’h 
told him that ho taid a-. -, n a r.i tr.e- r of ttn.- ALrah'.". Lincoln r.’'ir'-de. M ad'/is-. 
that STDOROVTCH .h-'.d lota of vj.sitor:.', '-sp'"ci:..ii;' on iv.t.k i.j.'- ariu h-. b I", .ves 
Ald.E .lIDO.'iOV ICf; v.'orki. d in a rjre.sa^ .shop in hev. I’ui'K City, 


Frf tii.o jcnversati-in T.dth Sii ,nC;\0 'iCli h. un.i r.'''tr''J tnat 
SirvCROVICH v;as roinr tn nirnt 5ro,;'0ol ar-d varltinr as a t;;-:! i si. n-.r a;.n 
that S 11)0.10 -'I C.H v.'h.en h-. left Chappacua int-en'iod to quit tr.cl d'.sirn wrrk be- 
cause of his poor eyi sipi-.t, 

Vr, ?’;c;rnl.^-0i' r c.-lii.d 1.!'':t In had r>. crivad a !• ti-.r from SILORCVICH 
after th'-- latter '.vent to Glenn l-uri and that it is Ids r.coll'-'ction that 
in the letter SlDClOVICF stat-’-J t.hat he had boon forced to no back to tool 
desipn v/ork and tnat AiJIiE ’.'•■a.s '.vorkinr in a dress shop in Cl •"'ve land. According 
to MORRISON, SIDiOhOTICH left C.hapnaqua in th. Fall of 19i4li and 
arrangements for th- sal. of the hc'ur'.o to tn. -t.RTIK .listers ma-l- by mail. 


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MORHISON was unable uo locate t!ie letter that he had received frorr. 
SIDOROVICH, 


Oancarainf th; P'-crl’ knov.-n to ti;-. STPOROVICH^ 
he had rict SIDd;(r''’I0J!'3 fat'n r hut ccuid net identrfy a pict 
RO?S.TdERG as a visiter tr tr-' r>.TDr.r;0V7CH horr,.,;. i;'"';;R7r'Ch c-:-.-. 

photograph of ROSYiTiERG'S sen stajiding besid-; tl.':. cern-.-r of 
and advised in has ooinion this picture v;as not taker, in the 
SIDOkOVICH’S hor.a'. He based tai.s opinion on th( l-vel land 
the pic'urc and the he b'..li.vr5 SID07CVI0H’ s c;.ick-; n ce 

entirely wit); green asphalt reefing nnterial . 


:)0k LTSO;.' a-lvised 
-•are- cf JiUns 
".iTv d the 
a bt’ildir.f 
r- ar cf 

vt.icr; .ann'.-ars in 
!,r was cc v-sred 


|t'hi-;f 'rtCSV.XNK, Iv-'Vv Castl;- Pelico nep-artr.' ;it, advis-;d th-at the 

Police Doparte-'-nt has r.n record of the SlbOROVJCi-' f-.r.il;- and h;= personally 
did not knov; .’.'ICiL'.EL SII'-ORCVICH. H.; inqioired of otia'.r offic-^rs on t).', force 
but V.MS unable to find arivonc v/l-.o knev,’ th' SIDOkOVICii faa.ily. 


Jir, li'.RkY HOP.t!aR, 'v.' Castl' 'Vatt.-r P-epartrr r.t jO-lvised l.f- v.as 
frequently in the rear of t)ic STDC)-’07JCK l.r-rne as h-e nak-.-s daily calls to a 
pump house which is located in th-. back of the hoc-:, ho'cav-.r, stated he 
recalls nothing ur.usual ai-cut t; ' hibOROVIGH far.ily a.n-l did ;'.ct knc'.v t.non 
personally. 


Certified ccrit.s cf cl.jcds P-rtainin,: to STD''''G.’TCr’S purcha.'^e 
and sale of ti-.r. Chappaqua pr'"]-irt,v va.'r- oolaincd I'rcr: ;;n'' v? 3. j T -.LD, 

(l&taity Cl'.rrk, ’.iesich.- st r Cc'unty, Mev; YcrK, 


D-. id //I, r...cord-..d i;-. Lib--:.r 1227 of d 
January 27, 19hh, -ar.-i r'-fl etc to-' tranr.f r cf on. 



■■2 is •r.-id 

■-'» 4' ^ i'O— 


gctiicr viith a right of v.;-y ajiproxirr.at-jly t'canty f-.-^.t in ' 
Can’p Fire Hoad^ T -is v;.ao d<-;-di..d by Cn.-LL f TLGa'hLiVR]. an 
resi'ding in t.'n. To'vn of Y:'""kto..‘nj R"-. York, t.. ''JC.j.nL G 
at Camp Fire i'.oa.d, Oiarpaqua, u-. :: Yorn. Th. p’’op rty in 


v.-idt:. 1-. •-.'.linr from 
d ; FILGEhhH.4VER 

IT.'O.aCVJCH r>- ■“idi.ng 
, t' ic- d-;d is d-;5cribed 


in detail by y.etos and ]ftundp. 


Deed <72, r corded in Liber //L22S of dfcds, p'’-)'- 73) «e.stc)iestc-r 
County, New Y.-rk, rafl- ctc tbit on J.--nuary l3, 19ii5, nCFt.F.L G.nX)RO'/TCH, 

10 Monroi) Str-'ot, Now York, .h' :\v York, de-e'J-' i t-);. on. icra of I'tni, toy tlicr 
'Alth til-- ri-ht of way, t' RCG.V-'Ohp . ’V.'Tl’; ‘.'M ■71 1'. ’7 .''riN br-l; re- 
siding at 156 Ea.st 52 n ] Strt-;,,t, !!ev.- Y"ork, h •.■ "r^rl:. In t .i.. d.-rd ti'. prop-rty 

is describ‘..d in .1 t'dl by I'etcs an.': Bound's, C erti cord -s of ti;''.s. deeds 

are being rfctainod in tra- case file. 


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BACKGROUiS DATA 

The recordc of the Net: York State Department of Health, Division 
of Vital Statistics, Tork City, reflect that L'ICHAEL £IDOHO.;iCH v/as 
....^rn July 6, 1916 at kanhattano His parents ircre listed as father, /iLEXAIiDER 
Sidorov, ICIi, bom Russia, age 27, longshoreman, and mothor, SOPJIIE 
\^GER£SII.’iO'.7ICH,xborn Russia, Age 23, one childj residence 107 2nd Street. 

The Division of Vital otatistics records reflect that I-'.ICH.tZL 
SIDOROVICH, }3h East 9th Street, k'ev; I’ork City, age 2o, born Dev; York City, 
occupation draftsman, father /iLEXAMDER, born Aussie, mother SOPHIE 
'"'SlER/iSII'.OVICH, born Russia, uas issued a license August 16, Iblil and married 
August 23 , I 9 AI, to AKi.'S IIAHUSLVK, 11 Avenue Bj Hat. York Caty, age 23, 
occupation operator, born Rctv Haven, Conn, father PETER, born Austria, 
mother TEKLA DIDCT.V, born Austria, first marriage for both. / 

~ The J^'lcctivc Service records, Nov/ lork City, reflect the follovring 
^^information concerning iVlCMEL SIDOROVICH: 

I Registration Card: niCHAEL SIDOROVICH registered from 3AIi_ East 9th Street 

Nev; York. Cit.yo Born July 6, 1916, at Hcv.’ York City. 

L'otliar, krsc SOPiilE SIDOROVICH, same address. 

Emploi'T..ent - student Polytoch Institute, Brooklyn, N. Y. 
Description; v.’hitc, 5* 9", 177 lbs, brev.n eyes and 
hair, I'lidoy complexion. R_gistcrcd Local Board 1 on 
1 October 16, 19li0. Serial /'/23hl, Order fr3599o 

\ Questionnaire aated Scptvmbcr 13, 19l4l* LICKAEL AliEYjVNDER SIDOROVICH, 

residence 11 Avenue Bj Key; York City, Social 
security ;/121.-07-2i4l6. Attended CONY one semester (civil 
engineering), attended Pratt Institute one semester (drafting) 
attended Polytech tv/o years (mechanical engineering). 

Employed by KOLUIORGEN OPTICAL CORP, 767 V.'^he Avenue, 
Brookl^mj married to ANNE on August 23, 19Al ut Manhattan. 

Changes of employment; CUONO liECIi.iKlC/iL DEV'ELOPHENT COI.IPViN’Y, July 1936 to 

April 1939; ’.'.•IIJtLikG AERO DCV., CORP. July 1939 to ‘‘ay 1911 ; 

X A* V., HECKER, 1976 E. 6 ^>th Street, Cleveland, Ohio, January 

2h, 191/3 to August 6 , 191/3 (starting daU uncertain). 


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Changes of address: October 17, 19I;2 - 10 I, 'or, roc -Street, Bldg^ G Apt. 12B,KyC 

I.;ey 8, 19li3 - 338 East 9th Street, Hct; lork ^ity, IKY* 
Decenbor 15> 1988 - from PO Box 953, Chappaqua, Ud. to 
8708 Carnegie Avenue, Cleveland, OhiOo 

Physical data; hay 2, 1988, 8-F "vision insufficient", 

Ju3.y 26, 1986, 8-F "liigh ryepia bilateral". 


The files of the C.redit Bureau cf Greater Bev: York failed to reflect 
any information on FJCFtLEl, or SIDORGVICHo 


The files of the Identification Division of the Mev/ York City Police 
Department failed to reflect any recoi'd identifiable v;ith AME) or LIICEAEL 
SIDOROVICH. 


A check of the files of the Ilotor Vehicle Bureau, kev; York City, 
failed to reflect the iL^suance cf any automobile operator's permit for 
l.:iCI-IAZL or ANIJE SIDOROVICH for the years 1989 to daioo 

The records of the Board of Elections for the City of Ncu ^ork 
reflect the follov;ing information concerning KICFJiEL and AHkE SIDOROVICH; 

1937: I.:iCH/iEL SIDOROVICH, age 21, single, 381 East 19th Street, 

21 years in the state and county, 5 months in the election 
district, born U.S., occupation WPA, first vote, registered 
American Labor Party* 

1939: HIClLiEL SIEOi.CVICH, 338 East 9th Street, occupation student, 
last voted 1?37 from 331 Ev 19th Etrc-ct-, Rcgicterca yuecrican 
Labor Partyo "* 

(It is to be noted that the premises located at 331 E. 19th Street, 
is n school nhich, according to neighbors, has been constructed 
for at least a period of 20 years) 

1980 i IlICHAEL SIDOROVICH, 338 East 9th Street, keu ^orl: City, studc.nt, 
registered American Labor Party* 

1981: IvilCH/iEL SIDOROVICH and AMTffi SIDOROVICH, 11 Avenue B, Her: York City, 
first vote for ABIE SIDOROVICH, I!IC}L\EL last voted 1980 from 338 
E. 9th Street. LICHAEL employed KOLLl.'GRGEF CORP. 797 V-h^thc Avc. 
Brooklynj lilCHliEL and AKKE registered American Labor Party* 



KY 

19^2: j'ilcn/jr.L SI2X)R0VICli, 2.0 Mom'oc Sti'eot, Apt. G3 12, crr.pioycd 
ICOI-U-Ior.GEN OPTICA;. CGPF, 2 Franklin Avenue, Brooklyn, 
rcGiPtered Ar.ericar. Labor Party and AJCG SIDDBOVTCd re£i 3 tor.ed 
.'u;i:rican Labor Parry, last voted frer. 11 Avenue B. 

Tne iMoctisn records failed to reflect any further nention of 
MICH/ul' cr .VOLT SIDORCVIOH for the years 19^3> 19^^ and 19^5 at any of 
the af'.;iv. 2 cntionc-d ad.lrescoo. 

V:iLh r'-.fcrcncu to th_' .A-.crican Labor Party it is noted that the 
Aoer.Ic';!i • *’bor Party wts cited as a Corjnunist front by the Opccial Corr.T.itteo 
on Un-.hie.vican Activities, March 29> 19^^. (pp.^9; 77;F-^ 153/lf'9), as 
reporti.’d by the- Cor/joittc."' on Un-Anorican Activities, house- of Repres.entatives, 
79th Conyress, on I:. Res 5. 


It is to 

Massaclius. rt.t Rous : 
png.' 35 >o as fed levs 
rccognined by tlic a; 
city gDverru'.K'nt''. 


be noted that the /uncrican Labor Party vas cited by the 
fov.nittce on Un-.'ir.erican Activities, report, 193£a 
; "Support of the Comr.unist Party to the: above has been 
ppoir.tt'icnt of a Comunist to an official position in the 


IL'FOByATI. C.''BrT.'R;:iKG MjCH/llL A1:D AlPrn: 


|:r. 


JiK R. O'CCIilETL., Creiit Pcparfcr.ent, John David. Inc., SSn'’ 


Ftrc ct o.n'; J-.roa.’wny, 


"ity 


advised that his records reflect a list on 


March 7 , :.or MJCIiAF,;. SIDOROVICH, 11 Avenue B, Apartnsnt 5A, Lev York 

City, jit the t.ir;e SlDC'R..'VIcn listed his employri..nt as the ?;'''...L!'.0LGEr 
OPTlCAil C;b\P. 2 Fa-anklln Ave-nuv , Brooklyn, as a draftsitan f^.r 9 months, 
age 32 . 'is t;if\';i nas. wn.s lirttd as /UiTIE. I!o stat-d that n.'' vas f.nrtnerly 
employee; fur 2 years at V,’li.LI;Vr. ABRO CO., Lexington Av;nue, I’cv York 
City. 


■.ubViLE ATTl .■•Ald.d, Acce-u; j.an.t, R-.y-tond M.arinclli, Inc., 37 
,, Lev; Ytrk City, advised that his records r..-flc'ct that one 


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West LTih f.tr.- c t_ 

AlillS B.fih'ROVIC." vas err.p'i eyed by the the company from October 19)43 to January I 9 UU. 
Mr. /fl’fliJ.'LSi; ..tatrd he believed slic vas employ.-; d as a dressmaker. Her 
addis^KS ai that tL;)-.' vas P.O. Box 953} Chappaqua, II. Y. 


Mr. RAVHnyD f-ART.HRlIJ , 37 V.’cst 47th Street, Kev yor): City, stated 
uh.at during tlie.., period of time he had a r.ubcont.rnct vith TaAlor.-'Q Woman, 
InC. I'.ud Iris t.mjJ.oyi.cs vf.rked directly for him altlieugh Iv occupied space ir. 
th; Tailoreo V/u".an building. 


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"The Passport files of the United States Dcpartr.ent of State, 
V/ashington, D. C., reflect that l/JCHAEL SIDOROVICH, born Mev: forlc City, 

July 6, 1916 , residence 3lil East 19th_^Streot, Kev; York City, father 
/iLEX-i! I'.':;!:, born Russia, residing 33k 9th Street, Nor; York City, v:as 
issuet; a passport on October I 8 , 1937 for travel to England, France and the 
USSR. The file further reflected that he departed from Not; '^ork City aboard 
the Queen nary on Kovenber 3, 1937. Kis occupation rvas given as radio nechanic 
and draftsman, SIDOROVICH applied for repatriation at the Vice Consul's 
office at Valencia, Spain, Pecenber 29 t 1933 end arrived back in the United 
States February I;, 1939 aboard the SS President Harding after serving in the 
International Brigade in Spain. 


6$ HORTOrJ STREET, GREEIfiTCH VILUGS, YORK CITY 

bAVID and RUTH GREEHGLASS stated that tlicy had been advised by 
JULIUS ROSENBERG that ho maintained tv;o apartnents in Nev; York City for the 
purposes of rlcrofilming and contacting other agents. According to the 
CREK^GIiASSc s one of these apartments vas located in Grocnv.lcb V^lagc, Nov; 
York City, 


The follov'ing investigation '.vas conducted by SAs ROBERT F. ROYAL 
and HERJj'iN C. LITTLEJOHN, JR: 

On July 19, 1920, SA ROBERT F. ROY/J. and Sn HEFilil-: C. LITTLEJOHN, JR. 
intcrvic'i'.’cd V.r» FLOYD ELV.'Yio, SR. superintendent of a largo api'^rtnent building 
at 65 Barrov/ Street, Greenv.d.ch Village, Nct; York City, T.’hich apartment 
building adjoins and is connected lath the apartment buildin_, at 65 -enroc 
Street. I'iTt EL..Yi!, SR stated ho ■'..'as superintendent of 65 Eoiiroe Street ' 

from approximately the niddlc^of Larch 1926 until October 19i;5» Re advised 
that an individual named /'iLFREX^ARAI'.’T vra.s the occupant Ox Apartment 6l 
at 65 •■’•onroe Street from 19li3 to January 1950o I'r. ELV.T!-;, SR. advised that 
his first corit.act ’.ath S/iRAHT '..'as in the "inter of 19kk and at that time he 
v;as checking 65 wonroc Street to determine the reason v;hy fuses :'/erc 
continually being blovm on the AC building supply in the building's basement. 

Hr. ELLYN, SR., statc'd that during his check he noted that there v;as 
a v.lrc leading from the vrindov; of Apartment 5l,'"'hich apartment had an AC 
outlet supplied by the building, to a vrindov; of the living room of 


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Apartmc*nt 6l« i!r» ELV.’Yl'.l, SR., str^tcd that he decidocl that the wire :;.ust 
bo the place '.vhero the shorts v.'crc occixring as it tras not tlio proper 
kind of v.lrc for outside use and that he disconneeted it, ;,;r, EL‘..y:jjSR, 
adviraii tJiat v.hon lie decided to discorjiect the vdre that he had disconnected 
the v.'lrc first in Aparticont 51 ond then went to Apartrent time 

when SAR/iNT I'.appcncd to be out. He stated that he noted at the time he 
disconnected the rare in SARANT's apartnent that there v/as no furniture to 
speak of and he recalled that the bedroon contained three r.inglo iron cots 
Mr. Ei.T-YTf, SH. stated that he noticed in the living room a srall hand made 
woi’k bene]) containing tools of the typo an electric ian v;ould usco ilc said 
that on the bench were tv;o or three clocks approximately three inches in 
diameter and tv;o tranefomers and a couple- of meters and other objects, Ne 
noticed that one of these clocks ^7as hooked up to the AC electricity supply 
and he said in curiosity he turned the hands of this clock and imr^ediately 
a brigiit arc flashed across to a vdre set up on another small table against 
the wall. Ho stated he tvdrlod the hands two or three times and the same 
arc occurred, hr, ELV.Td, 3R. advised that he also chocked around the 
apartment, looked in the closets and noticed several sjr.all black metal 
tool boxes and the chassis of what appeared to he two radios, Nq said that 
vdring veas strung in confusion around the room, 

i.ir, ilLV.Td, SR. said that SAItANT yiho at that tir.c was single cane 
to him that same night or the next night and complained, asking that the 
AC electricity supply be put back in his apartment, Ha sa.iu that SAFdNT 
claimed tliat ho wonted this for his radios and that the supply v;as put 
in through tlie building me.nagcment. It, ELV.YN related that before this 
ince' dent he lied had many complaints from other tenants because of interference 
vd.l:i their raclioso 

hr. SLVJYH, 5K. advised that when SAPA.NT loft the r. .rtment to go ' 
up state hew Yoa’k in the latter part of 19^)6, a fellow naiacc '-'ERL moved in, 
hr. EhYi'], SR. said he ccnld not recall whether or not PEItL .id a vdfe, 
but that during all the time that SAR.ANT and PERL were in tl..; apartment 
they had many visitoi's, hotli men and v/omcn-. IE'. SAILiNT stated he could not 
rccrll hov' long PERL lived thorc^ or when he moved out, but he reincmbored 
after PE-IL left tin apartment it v/ould be occupied infrequently from time 
to tine, but ho said it appeared to be empty one day and then the next day 
would be lighted up with numerous occupants. Photographs of several 
i.ndividuals, including LilCHAEL SIDGROVICK vjerc exhibited to ^r. ELRYl'I, SR, 
and at this tine he did not identify the photograph of I!IC]i-.EL SIDOHOVICH, 


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On July 18 and 19, 1950, Hr. and I'xs. FLOYD ELV.T;, JR., of 65 
Horton Street, Ke-n York City, v.'ere interviev/ed by SAs ROBERT F- RCY/JL 
and j-RF^FAI! C. LITTIiEJOHr', JR. and L!r. ELI'JYl-I, JR. stated that he ":j .3 the 
superintendent e.t 65 Horton Street since October, 1958, succecc'dnc h-is 
father in this 7 ;osition» Ke advised that the records in thei: possession 
concerning 65 ‘-‘Orton Street reflect that Aparteont 6^ at that a.iircss v/as 
rented to ALFRED S/JITJ^'T in 19h3, probably October, and that s;uR>.i;t had 
vacated the apartnent in January of 1950. The records further' reflected 
that tlie nano PERL vras noted as a tenant in Apartr.ent 61 in 1956 at the 
tir-.c ?;•?!,* s najno v;as entered on the records it v.-as indicated that ’'3AR.\.KT 
sends in check". 


Hr. ELV-TR, JR. recalled that his father told hin tlrat v.hen S/JLJIT 
vjas living in the apartiaent that SARAkT had run an AC electric rrirc fron 
Apartnent 51 to his apartnent through an outside vlndcv;, i:r<. ELV.Ti!, JR. 
said that the apartnent house v/as vlred rlth DC current, but that sonc 
apartments r/crc supplied v.-ieh AC outlets, including 5lo ELV.'YI.’, JR, 

continued that when ho as5u;;'.ed his present responsibilities he v/as told 
that lived in Rochester or some place in up state Lev; lork and that 

he only visited and used the apartn;cnt occasionally paying rent to the 
main office by nail, }Ie continued, about three months later in docer.bcr 
1958 or January 1959, ti;c tenants in the apartment bclov; Apartment 6l 
complained of a leak v/hich v/as sivovlng on the coiling of t/icir apartment. 

Hr. EJE.YII, JR. said he catered the SARAIJT apartment at tliat ter.'.c to fie: 
or locate the leak. He said he observed the fcllov.lng articles in the 
apartment at tliat tir.c, pciiVbing out that the apartment was rented un- 
furnished th only a Steve and a refrigerator;. He said t lat as no one 
v;as in the apartr.out at that time he had an opportiuvity to ebsorve the 
rooms, consisting of a living room, bedroom^ kitcl.cn and baib^ In the 
living roomi there v/as a saai?. Mtchen table vlth a. v.’hitc r.r.tal top ana a 
rcflc.cter photc-flooi bvlb or sirvilnr type bulb vras sai'cv/cd into a 

socket Oil the v:e.ll and the bulb v;as fixed so as to cast its light or 
beam, on the tab-lco Hr,. LL.''>n'9< JR» also recall.ed that t’noro v/er’c at least 
a dozen fountain gens and a few gold pencils on the tabic-, Ho stated further 
that the roci.i ocrtaincd a thr'cc piece glass front sectional bookcase, 
tv/o eld jcitchon chairs and a couple of couple of empty carrH.oa.i-d boxes 
which v.'crc apparently being used as chairs. The only thing in the bedroom 
V7as the botto:,; half of a dark blue studio couch a/rd the kitchen had a 
few dishes ant’, silver, no pots and pans. Hr. ELV.YIi, JR. stated that there 


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T7GS nothing else in the apartnent except a £ev! snail odds ar.d ends ^Thich he 
could not recall. 


EL~Y\ly JR. adxT.sGd that at this tine he had never sc-cr. anyone 
at SARj'JIT's apartnent and that it nas in June or J\ily 19h^ *hat i nan, v.i;o 
claimed to be SARjU'JT, cane to him and asked for a key to Apart,r.ent 61, stating 
that he had left hie key in another suit in the apartnent, hr. Rld’.T'I, JR. 
said that ho y;ent to the apartnent v;ith this nan and unlocked the door and 
let hiri in. Re continued that this nan vbo claimed to be 3AR.ah’T stayed 
around the aperlincnt for a v'cek and then left v,lthout notice o 


Lr. and Irs. ELV/Yl'I, JR. described this nan as fcllov;s: 

Race J Vvhite 

Age 5 33 to 1^0 years 

Build: ’.veil built, full face 

Hair: Dark bro;7n, straight, thin, bald in front. 

Dress: 'Dressed cs a business nan, wore no hat 

Characteristics iSnokod pipe, had pipe in nouth most of the tine, 
T/oro glasses vdth light v;eight plastic 
frame Sj no accent. 


Hr, and lirs, ELVTd, JR, were shoTai a photograph of j'JClj EL 
SIDOROVICH and they iximediatcly identified the photograph of I.'JC’-LiiEL SIDOROVICH 
as the nan who had identified hinsclf as ALERED S.AriAET in June cr July, 19ij9, 

On July 25, 19L'0, ^-r, and hrS') PATRICK Ec BROVA;, Apartnent 6 e 
65 Morton Street; licv; Tork Oity, were interviewed by SAs HOIEKV; I'<. R0.JiL 
and HSICi/J.' C. LITTLE JOUI.’ ,, JTL- and they advised t';;-'.t they reeiaci -it this 
address since liarch 15/a3o Rhotegraphs were e:-chibitod to tnc BRA'.TAs and llrs. ' 
BROVJ'I identifiad photo,' -raph of lilCl-l/iEL SIDOROVICH as a perscr who had 
resided in Aparumani 6l bctv;ccn October 19i;9 and January 19.' tw 3he stated 
that tJiis indiv.'.aual assisted in the moving out of the furn:'t.i-o an this 
apartment and w.r.s obs ^r’.’od placing this furniture in an oid so: e.ion :'agon. 

Mrs, v;as .inabic ^.c describe further any of the fund'' .•.re c:-' fve-nish 

any descriptive- data concerning the station wagon, Ki-s.- BRO'.V.'i .staxod that 
she noted during the Christmas holiday period in 19h9 that about 5 or 6 
nen were seen to be entering the SAR/vHT apart-ment vrith sleeping Lags on their 
backs. 


Mrs. DROV.l!, vrith reference to her identification of KICHAEL 
SIDOROVICH, stated that she recalled that he, on at least one occasion, offered 


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assistance to her carrying of groceries up the stairs. 

July 2h, 1950, SA HERM'iK’ C. LITTLE JOKJ, JR. recontacted 
i'ir. FLOYD ELV.OIJ. SIL.. superintendent of 85 Barrov: Street, an:' f'^c-acr 
superintenuent of 65 ilc.-ton Street, Nov; York ^ity, .i-.s .r.r- •- ./'.ozographs 
v;erc displayed 'to .’.ire. ELRTN^ SR# and he stated he re 1 c 'saph of 

YICILt'iEL SIDOROVICR as a nan v;ho cane to hin a fev; tesnos oonec”' ;ng little 
odds and ends for Apartment 61 at 65 iiorton Street and a pcoje). v.ho no had 
met at varioup/tjnos in the halls of 65 L'.orton Street, he vtnd ho 
thouglit thisAnd; vldual v/ac the man named PERL v.ho had t-'J-'.-r eve..' too 
apartncnta^^-.cr b/AJJIT left. I.lr. ELV.YI^I, SR. also idontl^'icd ^ .^.notograph 
of V.’ILLLil^fcRL as a nan v;ho had been around 65 Yoruon Street and in 
apartr.Lut 6r^af Jer SAP.U’T had left* 

Mr. and lirs. FLOYD ELAYK, JH. roro rcintcr'/ic'./cd on Jvly 2h, 1950> 
by SjI HSRJIAR C. LITTLEJOHN, JR and numerous photographs v'ero ng-ain displayed. 
They stated they recognized and identified photograph, s of irY'A'.El SIL'OROVICH 
as the individual v.hc in eu:vc or July 19li9 identified Mr.s.clf to ohon as 
I.r. S/lR/Jv'To i.ir. Eu’.'.Y;'; JR^ at "‘hie tine stated he aloO recalled eh at 
SIDOROV ICH v;as also assisting at tne tine the furniture was novel out of 
Apartment 6l in January ].950c 


Mr. T. B. v;iLEy, 1125 Bean Street, Brooklyn^ Nov.- " 
that he had Icon a porter at the apartment house at 65 Morto’"' 
Kev? Yorl'. '^ity, s:‘ncc Dcccrbcr, 19 *j 5. ■''-nd stated that, ho rc-'l'’ 
identify the nhoi cyran;! o:- R’id/tFL SIDOROVJCHo 


o.’'h.. •ad-'^ised 
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'.''it'.; rePeronce to ALFHP*) S-A-iAPP ’•'•''no '■'''as identified as ar; occunant 
of apartriTC-.ar, ‘'r at f’f Porter. <5treot; nj'eenVilch villaiie, ^■e^7 rork; t.>-/ records 
of t.l'.e ■ cv. er.t of noalth^ rivisior, o.t V-'-'t '-t ' ".1 ' a-cC; 

reflect AT, -..-a-s ; orn 5eptei:;ber 16, 1913 at ti . The 

records cf '' ■.;por rnio.a, " .v.- 'f -r,; City, reflect that h-. atte-.doj r-jy^er 
THion iron 1.3'o to 1941^ iraduatiiip '.vith a Ds^rce in Elcctri.c,/. .jr.EinoorinE. 

Art'' I'-'--: advised a._.sntr. of the Al''-dny a’ o , ■ ■'"erl. offices 

of the ■^•"7 t'..at he cnrrontly is ensa^ed in a ^^^ntral cont.'.,;c • - • . • at 

Ithaca, e V 'u..! tiv-t ho •..•as a r,er.'oer c 'f the Gr'oc;.'i.'dci. olv-' of 

the C'-vaiV'’ ' •' '.-o i,. 'P..-, -ork city curin' Id/.f and 1X4. '-■- C'r\'..JT 

advised ••'nil. :;!•'. en'-t ,^ C^epor nnion, he Ic'ca;:.': ir.ierostvd X Cens.vrilst 

movement.- i .:'o.;fh the ;-i car; ^'t-ud<-rt i.tnion, or.d fres thi: n-’ya:-.iorXicn 
proco’cdod or iiito the C'e- 'v’.n j s"' ’"'arty. 

The Cc-mr.un •;.£■•; ' -v t/ or'.d •;.he American ''tudont ''.'.ion nave s.:cr. 
declared t;,' A'etorr.-y C- nwral "o '"c v.'ithi.n t!.e cirrvicv; cf y:ec^.’tiv> cXer 


V.‘.lth rwfcrer.cj to '•■mT'^.'' ?"." iL •'■'ho •.■;as. identifi-d an a.n occapoi-.T. 
of apar ti:.-i..t ..•i at X Poi^t.oi. ctr. ..'o, Cr.^cn'.^.’ich vill'-^jO, ’h •',• xr]., the 
records of eh'. .orh .tL of poalth, yarL,.a^a ..f t_:ai ^•'.-•cisticsj 

reflect ■ilv.f. 'XLL'X' ?ZJ, ■•'-c iosn ■.•IIlT/.X^fT'.'fPrhHL on fjcto.cr 1, 191 £ at 
hev.- yorh C-'-..-’* P'dr, has.. Ixalaf e.-.„n^6^to ■TflLI.'f.- PTai ty probate 

Court, GX'eho^a corr.ty, Ohio, p .cl;e: txXvJO cr, .Iarr--.r, 4, 1X3. 


Aceordii.^ to •'-ho rec?.r-ls of the frllov/in^ institutions, PERL 
attor.deu p: "ait clinp on nch..:l, n:rc;:.t, 'hv; ■'f-r-':, iror. x or vary, Iv,-! 

until .fr.'j-.iL , l''X4, -.a ciV Coll-^c of tv.-; verk fro -, lx-, to l-jjo, v/here 
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’RRL O’-. ' ov'-rhor 1.?, I949j he Xtd bee-n anploy.i ''--y the rational AU-Visory 
Corir'i+l';.-. for VeroriauLics at Lan^.lX/ Field, V.irctnia ana C.1evnl.''.nd, Ohio frov. 1939 
to Ihe ■er .or;t •!• Xt . 


-Anyv'-” ud i S'.d .n^.-.nts of the ■''.r.- Yor; ofi’i'V- ..->f the XP that 
Porto.-, .street, pr j..T'.nch vill'X--> Po-" h. 


p.ar'!:.o:.t X- 


a.". le.vs-.c v ..... 

r-eceivcd .••ont -.X’ payronts for rent of the above :iFart;r.eT.t f.rcsi PSP.I fret IpX 
to janu.n.r,-, I'XO. 


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lir, SIDCnCVICH and I'.'rs. SOP'dIE SIEOHCVIC:-:'^ 334 Eart 

9th Street, Ik-r: YoH: City, narents of KICI-iAEL SIECRJ/ICH, v;ere rr.tervie-.ed 
at thei" r^r.e o:. "u.-rust 2, 1950 by SAS KOPE7T COEOLAN, HO^E“=? R'-YAi' c'-d 
AMVrCL ' C'-'ICL-.V. in vxcv cf the fact that and Iwrs. S59' ' C ’ ko 

very little Enpliah, S.x i-.YATOL .•'OOUSLAV acted as internra-.’ ' 


Ml’. ALij}.xx’'D?J? S.iI''CHO'’TCH advised that he has net a-.'Ci! his sen 
MCf^AEL for - nororiinately three years, and that ilC^LlEL ir. n:v. .cntly livinp; 
in Cleveland, Ch-'o. Jir. SIOORO'-ICH stated that :.frCM.-EL e-.nv. a in 

Channao'.ia, iJev. Yoric from aoDroximately 1944 to 1946, da tec c .i .'.a ' :is 
uncertain , 


'./ith rnferonce to the house in Chappanua, SIDCRO-TCd stated 
that he rave iUCi-AEL !?.20C' to-vards the purchase orice, v;h5ch he obtained by 
cashing c small insurance oolicy, ?.!r. SIDDP.OVICH added that this is the 
only 1?T rc sum of money ho had over given or loaned .'.CTCHAEL, and to his 
knou'ledge, this property in Chapnaoua is the only property 'CTCHnZL has 
ever cvried. Mr. 5IECPC''JCH also stated that he knov.'s of no property 
presently ovned by MICHilEI., 

!!r. SU'CHO’/TCh! said that RZCHAEL was born in New Y'ork City in Ihe 
year 1916, and lived with his parents at 334 Eeist 9th Street, New York City, 
unt^ 1 he r,ot married, Ke advised that MICHAEL had v'orked on various iobs 
but could net recall the comnanies that employed him, H'.; also stated that 
he kne”.' I.’JCi'lt.EL attended sovercl even"' ng schools but could nrt recall the 
names of the schools. 


Mr, STEOHOVIC;! st'^ted thc+ his son, '.CTCw'EL, W'.nt to Spn-’n about 
1937 and ’''as th'-r: for a”oro>'im''to''. y one year, Accordin.": tc iir. SIuOFC'ICH, 
he did nol know on '/.hat side of the Spanish TTar his son had fought, and h^d 
never oucstioned liTCHAEL concom'>n’ his activities in Spain. He said he 
received nc mril from IIICrYiEL during this period, 

Mr, SIDCROVICP stated th"t hr recalled receiving a letter anoroximatf-ly 
one mcnl h .'■••o MICHAEL ■in Clovland v;hdch rflatr-d nurelv to family m'^tters, 

and t h' i "i h' latt'.r was nni nva^lohlo. Mr. SIDORv^VICi' st-'ted h-- could not 
roc.all any other informaition about ^ilCHAEL, 


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3 Ape-,r $1^)01017 stated that her son ICC’-L'.EL had al-.'iy'- been 


a eood Christian boy up to the aje of 17 or IB, but at that t 
sciiool, he car:..; u.'ider cora’-unist influc-nce which she attritnt-. 
instructors. She stated she n..-vcr believed that he was act-.;- 
but that the ■.in'''lucr'C- his associates had on hiir. resulT ad ir 
of his Iv.'ir.^ a ■"'■rjatian life, i.trs. SID0"(C\7CK staaea that 
at this conclurio.. ajoause "IC^AEL coacod attendi-So church s.- 


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IVs. '■'ThO.''. ■'VIC'S further advised that .she v.’as itot with 

the details conccir.ii'.j ^!IC'dAEL’s trip to ‘•FATN> ir- fact, .she cculd not 

fer certain t.hat lie went to Spain- sue sa'-i ahat he .vas yon-, about o';je 
year, and that she hr.cl heard ru-nors fror. other people that ite r. .■;! „or.e to 
Spain. Hov.'cver, she' );ai never pu'esticn-d him concernin^^ '.i.e trip. pTs. 
SIDORCVICr stated that '“C'-V.EL is preaeraly married and .has lived in 
ClC'Vclr-nd for :ipp:'o>:.i:;i-.tcly four y-.are. prior to tu-at, he 11 r t 
Chappaqua, '.'cw York, viiere he ov;nod his home. lyz. SIDOROVJC:! 


she recalled that ’7C;’AEL had also lived at 11 Avent 


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hrs. SIEOr:C”IlY stales thr.'. she* and her husl'ar.d had s jri-endored 
a s.nall i; s '.ranee policy for ...ud had ^iven it to 'iC'f.EL ss a ^if- to 

assisv ir. eiic pu*-e?iuse o!' a i.oui-- at Clie^vaqua. 5h;' seated -..at this was tire 
only lar^^',' s'.i... of money sh. lud ever yven or lou.ed '7Z'-L2l., one tlat the 
property' ir, cha,.paqua, "uw VLi',-: was to her knC'V/led^,c the or.iy proi-orty he 
had C' ,r e.';:.\id. 


prs. i^'bDf.lRO-n C^' stated th-at the last visit Irsn, ''iC-f.fL 'was znree 


dai’C after 


birth of his child 


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he stayed 


at ],jr residence for tv/o or thrac- days. Sre slati-d she bclicvoa ,he had 
previou.sly visited d'urir.t, Chrust.vas of 1143 for several dap's, sne d'urir.j, his 
August vacation cf 1746 or 1947. nne stated she also bvliv.vod he visited 
during hie' August vacation of 194? and or, each occasion remained in Kev/ yerk 
City a'ooul ilnreo days, ano then visited hev; Haven, Connecticut for about 
3 days v;h..r-^ his wife's folks resided, yrs. SIDCR0\7C:' had no knowledi^e of 
the newt ■^imo '^-TC'-'aSL would vicit iJew york. 


four 


Vrs. r,TD0"'C''TC'd stated '"hat she had received a letter from ?7CILiET 
ago i.'Ut declined to she-" the letter to th.;- intervlsw'ing agents. 


, re. STRC'eC'.'iCH stated that h.ar husband, ,ALSXA^fDER> had .'•ufferou a paralytic 
stickc a fc'-v years ago, and lii.'! m’.,r:.ory has s’ufferod .somewhat as a result. 


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y.ISCELLAN£0US INFORMATION CONGSRNDJG LICH/.EL SITOROVICH 

:.r» PHIL LEIBOV.TTZj the operator of a radio repair shop at 603 
East 5th Street, New York City, xias intervie\7cd by SjiiAY'JOUil A, RUEI-ILE 
and ]je adviced that ho had knovm rjn: SIDOROVICH r.any j-ea.-r ago when he 
lived in the neighborhood on Third Street. He stated he sav; SIDOROVICH 

about two years after the conclusion of the Spanis): Civi'. v:ar and had not 
seen LX^E since about 1939* Erora conversations vdth SIDOROVICH, I^.IDO’dlTZ 
stated, he learned that ;'IKE had fought for about t-.-ra years in the Spanish 
v/ai' irith the XR/Jl/Vil LH'ICOLII BRIGADE and at the conclusion of the war 
SIDOROVICH, according to LEIBO.VITZ, went to Russia as an engineer under the 
5 year plan* He stated that the source of his infonaatien about SIDOROVICH 
going to Russia v/as fron his recollection of conversations v-lth SIDOROVICH* 

Hr. JOSEPH ^.'■■^ICIERSiO’v, 332 East l6th Street, I’ev: York City, 
tvas interviewed by SA(A) JOHN A* RUEHLE and he stated he is Lriploycd as a 
tost foreman at the E'ERSON Rj\DI0 L TELEVISION CORP., Ill 8th Avenue, 

Kev; York City and is an ajeatcur radio operator whose call letters are 
v;2FCT, and advised that he v.-as an old friend of HICHAEL SIDOROVICH, 

CICIERSKi'v stated he and SIDOROVICH attended school together during tl^e 
Surmcr of 1939 or 191^0 at BrookJ.yn Polytcch Institute where HJI-CE took 
civil engineering and he, CICIERSPu'i., took electrical engineering. No 
stated that he- had known SIDORCVICH was in Spain for I’r or 2 years fighting 
for the Loyalists, but never heard ho v;cnt to Russia. He said the last 
tine he sav/- SIDOROVICH v;as in 1914? v;hcn he, SIDOROVICH, cane to New York 
few days vacation and dropped in to see CICIERSlui for about three hours, 

'.-.hilc in New York, CICIERSK/'v stated he believed, SIDOROVICH 
liquidated sonc property in Chappaqua, Nev; York and his address in 191)7 
was 8706 Carnegie Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, in which city ho v;as cnploj'ed 
as a draftsman, firm unlcnov/ri. CICIERSiO'. further stated that ANiJE 
SIDOROVICH came fron Connecticut and v/as god-nother to one of his 
children, CICIERSiu'i stated ho roomed '.vith SIDOROVICH in several places 
v;hen both v/crc single* 'Jhilc in high school in 1932 or 1933 he lived .. 
on East 6th Street, near the East ^ivor which apartment has been torn 
dov/n and replaced by a housing development. He further stated they roomed 
together at 3 I 4 I East 19th Street, He could not recall the dates. Ho 
said, hov/over, this v/as before SIDOROVICH went to Spain. No said that 
after SIDOROVICH returned from Spain he returned to scliool and attended 
Pratt InstituUc and later Lrocklyn Holytoch, taking engineering and later 
worked as a draftsman for KOLL’ORGEN OPITCL'iL COr-PANY in Drookljaa until he 
left for Cleveland, which v/as about tv/o years ago* 


The Kcv; York State Dcpartr.cnt of Health, Bureau of Vital statistics, 
Net; York City, records reflect that JOSEP^ICIERSJui v.-as listed as a v.ltncss 
to the narriaso of ::iCK/iEL and A1 €:e SIDOROV ICH. 

The records of the Board of Elections, k’evr York City, for the 
year 1937 reflect one dOSEPH/CIERSICA, aje 21, single, 21 years in the 
state and county, 6 months the Election District, residing top floor 
3Ul East 19th Street, previously voted from BlIi East 9th Street, Nev; York 
City, as registered under the ^.rerican Labor Barty. 

The 193o records of the Board of Elections of i’ev; York reflect that 
JOSEPH CIEHS}Li, Olh E. 9th Street, Her; York City, registered as a ,.:.unist# ^ 


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iirs. C.'iTrlERINi; FAUL, 311 East 19th Street, Nev; Yon-:, Y,, v;as 
intervijv.'ci] by SA ROBERT il, COHOL/iN and she ad^ased that she has lived at 
the above address ior 25 years and furthemore that up until lS>hl she had 
been superintendent of the five-story apartoent liouse* She said that during 
the late 1930*0 the house v;as very seldom filled and that sonetine during 
1937> 1938 or 1939 a family by the name of GIORDANO rented the fifth 
floor apartriOnt consisting of 7 rooms and occupying the entire floor. She 
said they had about 10 other individuals living v.lth them, including both 
men and •'.vomon and that the photograph of I.iICE.\EL SIX.ROVICH rcsomblird one 
of theri. She added that the entire group a^rc C.-r . .nists ana hold 
'Corjiranise meetings in the apartment until she broke them up. It v;as her 
recollection that all of the group v.’erc on home relief or the V.TA. Sj-ic 
stated she based her belief that they v:crc Comi,-iuri‘.sts on the fact they marched 
in the iiay Day parade and siie had observed them adch'csoing thw Communist 
guthern n.;;£; at' Union oquare, Neir York. 


A check of the records of the Board of Elections, Nev: York, for 
the years 1936, 1937 and 1938 v.r.s made in an attempt to identify the 
occupants of the top floor of 3hl East 19th Street referred to by Mrs. 
CATHERINE PAUL. The following individuals were listed at 31^1 Dast 19th 
Street vdth the letter "T" v.tiich, according to the New York E?^ection records, 
applies to the top floor. 

1937 JOSEra CIEPlSLi, - registered ‘^abor Party. 

3U1 East 19th Street, top floor. 

Age 21, single, 21 years in state and county, 6 months in Election 

District. 

Last voted in 1936 from Oil; East 9th Street, N. Y. C. 

1936 JOSEPH ClERSi'Ui, - registered as a 

8lLi East 9th Street, New York City.' 

1937 ANTON li^IORDANO, - registered f^crioAn' Labor Party 

3lil East 19 th btrect, top floor. 

occupation, V;P/i 

Previously voted from 61? East Fordhrun Road. 

1937 LOidLT'^'ANGIOHDAiJO, - registered Party , 

3 ^ 4 ! East i9th Street, top floor. 

I'drst vote. 


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ANTONIO GIORDANO, - registered -^j|ef^Sn'’LaboF ^arty* _ 

3iil Eest 19th Street, top floor* 

Age 2c, 26 yrs, in state and county, 2 years in Election district. 
Born U»3«, last voted 1937 fron) same address* 


1933 lORdTTA GIORDANO, - registered (^rican lalio? Party* 

361 East 19th Street, top floor. ^ 

Age 23, 23 yrs. in state and county, 2 years in Election District, 
hast voted 1937 from same address* 

1933 ANN^Ai'IG, - registered 
361 East 19th Street, ti 
ii-gc 21, 21 ;>TS* in state and county, 2 months in Election district* 
Last voted 1937 from 735 V’ashington Street, occupation housewife* 

1933 STE?H,^u\^MG, - rcgistcrcd|Kfe?i<^"^bw Party. 

361 h'r.3t^l9th Street, top fxoor. 

Age 26, 26 yrs* in state and county, 2 months in Election i'istrict* 
Occupation, V;PA* 

Last voted in 1937 from 735 Washington Street* 

1937 JOSEPlE'^ICdEL, - registered ^crican Labor farty* , 

3 ) 4 ! ^051^9^- Street, top floor. 

Age 25 , single, 25 years in state and county, 6 years in Election 
District. 

Last voted in 1936^from 36 East 3rd Street, Mer; -oj C ity* 
Occupation Select T^heatre, 236 •■■* I(6th Street* 


lacrican Labor I'arty 
>p floor* 


In rovic'.dng the Board of i^lection records for the above address 
during the aforementioned years, it v;ac also noted that the foUo-idng 
individuals re si doc on the third floors 

1937 IcJ.PH i:LLER, - registered l^ncrican Labor Barty. 

361 •4ajrt'19th Street, 3rd floor* 

Single, 35 years in state and county, 6 years in ^lection district* 
Born U.5*, lest voted in 1936 from 1C6 East lOth Street, NYC. 



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IS'32 RALPH ELLER - registered <lncric;in i'ebor Party. 

3lil *^act 19 th Street, 3rd floor* 

Asa 36 , 3 S years in state and county. 2 years in Election District. 
Last voted in 1937* 

1936 R/iLPH ELLER, - Ko partv affiliation. 

106 East 10th Street, 5^^-cv; york ^ity. 

1937 PAlE3'S;2i;LLEH, - registered -Vjcrican L^bor Party, 

3lil ^ast 19th Street, 3rd floor. — - ^ 

Last voten 1936 from 2U2 V.'averly Place, Lev; York 6'ity, 

I 93 O PAUL '.'.'ELLER, - registered ^Ajuorican Labor Party, 

3ul East 19 th Street, 3rd floor. 

y.go 25 , 2 ? years in state and county, 2 years in Lijction District. 
Born u.S., last voted in 1937* 

1936 JUDITiN^STEIK, - registered ^ueerican Labor Party, 

3hl Eac't/^9th Street, 3rd floer.'”’’"*'*^ ~ 

ngc 29 , single, 18 years in state and county, 1-1/2 years in 
Election District. 

Born Russia, graduated Hunter Collcgc-1931;* 

First vote. 

NOTE: August 13, 1936, U.S, Dist, (Possibly naturalization ditav)* 

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1930 nOSA'^p.USii, - registered l^rican Labor Party. 

3iil E.ebt 19 th Street, 3rd floor. 

Age 23 , single, 23 years in state and county, 1 year in Election 
District. 

Lorn U.S. Last voted in 1937 from 223 Second Avenue, 

Occupation - Self, free lancc artist. 


;!r, ?;E;'r>nLTK C. ME.'/I.'AN, Attorney, 12 East hist Street, Nev; York Lity, 
advised that the management of Knickerbocker Village, 10 I’onroc Street, 

Her; I'ork City, is a client of his and that he had received correspondence 
from jilCHAEL SIDOHOVICH in reference to unpaid rent subsequent to 
SIDOHOVICH’s vacating his apartment on 10 Lonroe Ctrect, Copies of the 
letters are being sot forth. 


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"iicrch 20, 


"KcnnoDj C. Nov, nan, 
Attorn,jy at N^v; 

12 Last iilst Street, 
IJgvj Yorl: Citj'’. 


Dear Sir; 


"Ycur letter of January 13 has just reached ne» i.'y v-afe has 
been ill and under physician’s care here in Nev.' York and v/e have been 
away fror. oui' home in Cbappaqua for the past tv/o months* 

"Enclosed yo\i vdll find a check for v20 to be credited to'vard 
my account vrith Knickerbocker Village, Inc. The balance vdll reach you the 
end of this month or early next month* 

"I appreciate your efforts to bring this claim to my attention to 
effectuate a prompt settlement. I am anxious to tenainate this obligation 
as soon as possible, ilail addressed to me c/o mcNutt, llil5 3Uth Avenue, 
Long Isl^md City, ulll reach me there. 


Very truly yours, 


/s/ iaC}i;;SL SIDOROVICK" 

the D.owcr portion of the second page of this l-tt^r, uu'itten 
in lotighrnd, './as the following notation: "Check clra'..'n on National City 
Banlc of New York, Mew York City, J42nd Street Branch, Special Chocking 
Account )*ll426l". According to ‘•‘r. KE'.l.'u'u'!, this notation v/as v.ritten by his 
office. 


"Nev/ lork City 
April 10, I 9 UI 4 


"Kcnn''th C. Nev, nan 
Attoriv y at Lav/ 
New Yci'k City* 


"Enclosed you vdll find a chock for the balance due your 


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"client, Knickerbocker Village, Inc« 

"I v.’ould appreciate an acknoniedgraent of the full payment of the 
account for r.y records. 


Sincerely yours. 


/s/ MICitlEL SIDOROVICH" 



Confidential Inforr.iant T-1, of knovm reliability, advised that 
Special Chocking Account number lli26l vas maintained by .‘o'. KICKAEL 
SIDOROVICR r.nd/or Irs. AlCn; H. SIDOROVICH from April 1, 1913 to Hay 16, 
19ii5» Yhe addioss of this depositor at the time this account r/as opened 
v;as 10 ‘’onroe Street, but \athin the first month of the existence of the 
account the address v/as changed to Camp Fire Road, P.O, Bex 953, Chappaqua, 
Non I’ork. The records cf this account are presentlj' being secured by the 
inforiiiant and will be nado available in the near future. 




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adariisscd tc ?.;r. KEjG'E'^H ?'E’-’"'Ar. iacntial Ir.for.'iiar.t 7 - 2 , 
rwlialility, advised tl'.at on Dscecber 19^1i on& VA'iLGO REzT.OLE 


r-l'orcnco tc the nnr.o }X Kl’TT, ^415 34th Avor.uc, Lone, Island 
City. M SIDOEOVT CH staled that he could b o re ached in a letter dated 

J'arch 2i'j 1344 adaressL ' " " ‘ 

of knov.n 

•'Q r-.i'vT- chie.^f.d hln address from ^OC East lath street, icev; Ver-;, A'c;v Yor/., 
to A4-01 2411 Av--nua, Lon^ Island City, Nsv; York, '^ho same source advised 
that "YiLEO YC ’Y"t 'i.vas inducted into In'.- nr.itad Stat-„s J.rr.y on ::ov ember 6, 
19423 It is tc b.. noted that tVALEr RElnTLE RC rirr vies the 3ULyv;Ct of a:. 
!lY'tER’'’AL '■.ECtAt'"/ _ r investigation vdth Mev/ark as office of criLi-t. (-ureau 
file |.Ov'»-31EdC8) It has not been estalliehed at this timi. vdiether this 
Individual is identical '.'.d-th I-rc Mli'T’, 4415 34th Avenue, Lor-^ Island City. 


■Eith rer.;rence to the telephone calls made by > TC’-’AEI and A'T-B 
SIWRO'nC^' '.vhil.. residin^ at post cificc ^ox 933> C3JT,pfiri> Road, Chappaqua, 
Confidential Tnforn.ant of know; reliability, advised that hv •.vculd be 

unable tc obtain this information as all information in his pcssossion had 
bee:. 


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dated July ,-,0, 1951, in cars, ivhich reflsct’.J th.at the r ;-cords •• 

"ticker in.'v:-lr.Lea„ Cleveland, Ohio, hasi listed as subject's references; 

NATH-IK R, SHVi’Z, 71 9*03 1 12th Street, Rem York city and Doctor F>r'-'C'% 

East 17tl. street, : -v; Y-rk City, it is also noted thiat the recordb'-rcflacto J 
that sud: Jerm, listed cs social affiliations; vice-president, polush-h.m.erican 
Youth Cl’d , Cair.t ’•.aril's rl.-ce, hev; York City. 


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dated jujy Id, l9oC, cntitlvd JULIUS kCSEYPERa; ESPIONAGE - R, i:- v/iiich it 
.vas stali-d i hat i:;v employment records of A- Recker Compoi'iy, Clevd/u.d, 


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reflect. D'-ctor 317 E^-st 7 t!! Street, !:cv; York City] YlTrAV SHl'TZ, 

71 Tc-st street, Ke.v york City; ai:t; E. rrr-t^Y ISO X, Post office :-'or. 

unknov.tij i’:;eype'.iue, pev; york, v/ore references of sobyect. 

It is ulso netei that in subject’s application for a±r.issior. tc 
prcoklji; pol,7technic in.ntitutc, Yew York, he lictci the follcv/inj rt.f irences: 

"Y"JR': C. KA’Y.I' 

A3 Ave’.iuo A, phariT.acist ar.i proprietor of K. j. KAM.f pharitacy. 


r'oeter "Vf y.’T” r-cntal surpeon 

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Doctc’' j. n yv.4AR0''’S0’h ?;:.ysician 
■rooklyti, pet' Yerl:. 


Subject, in, Itis applic-atio.". for an .partsicr 


L;. YticKorbockcr 


Vijlo.pc, 10 '■cr.’';.-e Street, ?’sv.' Yori; City, listoa i.hc roliotiny rtforoi.ce.s: 


•loctcr OPJE-tTZ-yf 
263 A E_viistr. /.Venue 
I-ror::;, 


i'tctor F- Turk 
3IV Z-et 17th street 
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".'ith reference to the aforon-.^ntioned E. 
Nov; Yerlc, the indices of the Nev: York Office failed 
inforrntion idt.ntifiable with this individual* The 


a. i'C?.-;ISCK, C'r.'ppsqua, 
to reflect any pertinent 
WestclTNistor County 


tfclt'pho lirectory r. ^lects E. 1. hOHRISON to be EBV.V.RD -.\;0HP.IS0::, and 
he v.'-s inttrvie'.'.'ed at Cinppaqua, York with ref^oronce tc S'lDORO'.'ICH’s 
acti^'itios* The results of the interview; are set forth in the investipativc 
section of this report. 


The indices of th<- M.-.v Ycrk Office failed t? reflect any 
pertin.nt inforrntion i:’‘-ntiii-ible .vith the Polish .heericin Youth Club, St, 
Mark's ?lnce, '.hw York City. 

'Vith rcfcrunci:. to the aforementioned N.iTM'.B P.. SriUTZ, 71 Y'^est 
l?th Street, Ur.v York City, Confidential Informant '■~h, of known reliability, 
advised that otie Dr. lYT'diri R. SCIiUTZ, 71 W-c;st 12th £tr..e-t, huv; York City, 
ve'is one of the contributors to Veterans of the Ibranan Lincoln Pripad, in 19i;7, 


'lit)! re-ference to the iforomentionod Dr, TUP.K, the files 

of the ’lev; York. Office reflect that one- Dr. EnHYIE TIIF.K, deiiuist, v.-ith offices 
at 317 it.st 17th Street, hev; York City, on February 11, lyL/ and Decenb-r 12, 
l?lt2 telephonic. lly contact..-.i the Mev; York Office on a routine complaint 
concerninp a oro-Hitler and nro-Fascist matter* The Nev; Ycrk files further 
reflect tliat on December 20, IViil a Dr. FA'iNIE TlRiK fuiTiishcd the. office 
•..ith a routine complaint ane offi.-i’ed her services to the Bureau, 

Con.ric)cnti .1 Infora'int T-5, of knov.Ti reliability, mmde available 
a two-paye typewritten xi.st of names and addresses believed to be a .m.'d ling 
list .for '.i I.'vbor Day issue of the "Daily V.'orKcr"* '^he list boro uhe notation 
"Labor Day". The nam.' Dr. F.'d'MIE TURK, 3^7 Ehst 17t.n Str-'-t, New fork City, ^ 
appeared on li.e list. 

The files of Special Squad //I, Nev; York City police Department, 
reflected that State D-p.artm.ent records of August 30, lyll iistod MICH:. EL 
SIDCWTC’-I to be' a veteran of the ..'ibr.aham Lincoln Brigade and s<^it to Spain 
by tne C-r-:r.mri±r-\. Party, ?!is address ivas listed as care of a. C\Kj\Hj'xUS • 
;,?harrncy), 23i'd - Averue .'v. New York City, This individual is probably 
identic -.1 -vith HE'.’.RY CHARLErNE.Ji.N, pharnacist, who, according to a request 
for loyalty data form f'ornishiNi to the SAC, Mev; Orleans, dated Nove.mbe-r 16, 
19U0, o/n.-rati-d a retail arup, store at 23 fr/enuc A, New York City from 1937 
to 1'A' 1. T T.his inaws'l.ivation vns (-redic’.ted on t;.;_ f-.ct t !; ■■ •* r. .~ r~.'t 

tcoma.i.'.sion Ir.d -idvisi;'! ilit '>jr.-'-u that on( 




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signed a petition for candidates of the Conmunist Party fo^S^te' 
/ity elections, 1939-19UO> for the five boro\ighs of New Tork* ^|Q||^ at 
'a Loyalty Hearing Board, Virginia, stated that he did not recall signing 
svKJh a petition and that, as a Notary Public, he did not deem it either 
lawful or dmocratic to deny any political party the right of pe tition 
^igation failed to establish that the signature Was that of 

It is noted, however, that the FBI lAb oratory. hv letter daTfe' 

of 

ic^appSared on a Conmunisl 
Septonber 2li, 19 UO, was that 
IMs investigation was en- 



_ . ^ c-S^ — 

With reference to the interview of Mr* ALEXVICER and l!rs* SOPHIE 
SIDOROVICH, both appeared visibly upset and it appeared to the agents that 
they were evasive with particular reference to 1£ICH,‘»EL SIDOROVICH »s trip to 
Spain* On several occasions they voiced aft opinion that the agents were 
looking for MICHAEL to arrest him* With reference to a letter received from 
MICHAEL SIDCROVICH, Mrs* SHKBOVICH stated she declined to allow the agents 
to read it and that If the FBI were looking for )f[CH.VEL, she would not help 
them find him, althou^ they had been advised by the agents that they were 
not looking for MICHAEL aivl that his thereabouts was known to them* 


Phot 

to SIDOROVICH' 
ROSEJIBERG. JD: 



aphs of the following named individuals were exhibited 
ents with n^ative results: JULIUS ROSE^ERGj ETffiL 
, WILLLU3fIl\RL, RUTH CEEENGL.\SS, IDRTOl^ BEL, LOUISE 
ARilNT* ’ 


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II is noi-tid th-.t ^':ICH;.EL SIDCROVIGK fcu.’ht in Spnin v;ith the 
.'.braJinm Lincoln Bri-'nlc :;nd SIDOPOVIGH vnp er.iplovcd by .M'.HIi'v'ELLI^ 

INC. Yro’n OcT.obur l>ii3 to Jitnu'irj’- on n sub-cor.trr.ct v.lth Tailored ".bran. 


Lnc. Mr. P«3 X.LE 3, LTTL'iL'ESE, iccount-.nt, TLVi.X'.V M'.RI'-XLLI, INC., stated 


ho bv^liu /cd ANNE was or, ployed as a drossr.'iker# 


The office iniices f'iilcd to reflect ary Cor-iurist Party .Member- 
ship or Communist party .activities on the p.art of dir-l;..SL or 3ID0R0VICK, 

It is further noted that althourh CIDOPOVICH has property at 
Ch’jppaqua, Nev York, on ■'■.nuary 18, 19ij5 he hae probably left Chappaqua and 
he urnislaod tr.e post office with a ciianqe of address to 8706 Carnegie .m/enue, 
Cleveland, Ohio, d"'tei 1) .cembor 19', 19ii).i. 

r'-^aut ■uqu"', "-..w York is ceofr-aphirally .locates in the westeTn ' 
jiart of .'iov; Y rk State and the possibility exists oa” some confusion betv/oon 
the ("eoi'rapyiic ;1 location of Chappaqua and Chautauaua« Also, oVro.ny er 

pos.f'il ility is that western New Y'erk State rif^.ht actually J.aae been Yeotchestor, 
Nev; York St'.t-.. inasmuch as Ch/ippaqua is located in ■•'..st.chester County,. 



. ust . , -.• ,e a,,' ..j.e r .. if'ernent of Knickerbocker Viilace, 10 kionro'.: Street, 
Neiv '-'ork City, Ith t!iv; return .addre.'^s P.ih Eex 993, Campfire Hoa:;, C'l'a.'raqua, 
N'.nv- Pork, He '^id, ho'.vever, reside nt 10 i.ionroc; Street, Kni' karbocker Village 
until 1,-y 1, I 9 I 42 , 


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i.o -■ su; '.r' b'-iri" r.( t forth in this case inasr.ucn as it _ 
give;.' c'-'ntir.uour and exp.'ditious attention. All leads ar'' being set 
by tel'. or letter. 


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signed a j^tition for candidate of the Conmunist Party State 
lections, l\35hl9i»0, for the five boroughs of New Tork 
a Loyalty Hearing Boa«,Wirginia, stat^ his signature in the ComnuAlSt Party 
petition was that of a Vo«ry Public ajjra no^jis^Investigation failed to 
establish tl»t the sign^u^ ^s thatXif It is noted, however 

that the FBI la 


signature of 


which app 
^ September 2ii, I 9 J 4 O, wa^ tha 


is investigation was entitled . 






- ■ a;.-. 


With reference to intervi^ of Mr, ALEXANDER and Mrs, SOPHIE 
SIDOROVICH, both appeared visiKly\upset and It appeared to the agents that 
they were evasive with partici^r reference to MICHAEL SIDOROVICH’ s trip to 


Spain, On several occasions 
looking for MICHAEL to arres' 
MICHAEL SIDOROVICH, Mrs. SID 
to read it and that if the * 
them find him, although they 


they V(^ced'an opinion that the agents were 
/him. With ■ ref erence to a letter received from 
5R0VICH fifVated she declined to allow the agents 
31 were locking for MICHAEL, she would not help 
had been ^vised by the agents that they were 


not looking for MICHAEL ana that his whei^bouts was knowi to them. 

Photographs at the foUowi^ n^ed individuals were exhibited 
to SIDOROVICH* s parents wjlth negative tfesulftsj JULIUS ROSENBERG, ETHEL. 
ROSENBERG, JOEL BARR, WII/LIAM PE/iRL, R'JTH GRE ENGLA SS, MOOTON SOBEL, LOUISE 
SARAOT, and ALFRED S/'-RANJ, 
















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Mr. Donald J. Biglin 
Assistant Executive Director 
Freedom of Information and Privacy 
United States Civil Service Commission 
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Washington, D. C. 20415 


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Department of Transportation 
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Office of Regulations and Rulings 
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Comptroller General 

United States General Accounting Office 
441 6th Street, N. W. 

Washington, D. C. 20548 


General Services Administration 


Director of Information 
Attention: Mr. Richard Vawter 
Room 6117 

18th and F Street, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20405 


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Deputy Attorney General 
Attention: Office of Privacy and 
Information Appeals 
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Internal Revenue Service 

Freedom of Information Appeal 
Commissioner of Internal Revenue 
Ben Franklin Station 
P. 0. Box 929 
Washington, D. C. 20044 


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Mr. Miles Waggoner 

Freedom of Information Officer 

National Aeronautics and Space Administration 

Washington, D. C. 20546 



AGSNC1SS-. 













, Office lsA.emo0»idum 


• UNITED 


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S GOVERNMENT 


TO 


:Director, FBI 


FRO>l :SAC, -Cleveland 



;.:ayDiT§: 1?'^! 


ubject:WILLIAM perl, aka , 

‘ ESPIOt'AGE - R; PERJURY 
('Bufile 65-59S12; 

Rerep SA JOHN B. O'DONOQTJE, s/i7/Sl , Cleveland, which is enclosed 
herewith and which contains only data available to this Office con- 
cerniiig the nuclear energy propulsion of aircraft as is related to this 
case; Your attention is also directed to the report of S/i. JOIiK B. 
O'DOUOGhUE, 3 / 27 / 51 , Cleveland, and in particular to pages 27 trj-ough 
29 of this report, which contain-.- earlier information in this matter. 

Certain portions of the material contained herein are classified 
MRESTRICIED DATA" as defined by the Atomic Energy Act of 1946 or is 
taken from material so classified, 

[ In the enclos.ed report, tliere is set forth information received from \ 
ROBERT BELL, which iridic^ es gELL received from a confi ler.tici l source ^ 

IHHHHhHHHhMHIK 'm. furnish PERL with restricted 
data, to v*hich PERL was not entitled, * 

BELL has confidentially advised that his source is Dr, ROBS.PT F, SELDEM 
and it will be noted that Dr. SELDEI.’ did not furmsh this infurmation 
to Bureau agents when interviev.ed, BELL particularly questioned SELD-Ji 
as to his -reason for not disclosing this information to Bureau agents 
and SELDEN replied that the information was based on rumor and he did 
not wish to involve persons who may be innocent without justification. 

It further appeared to BELL that the problem WoS one of "keepir^g it in 
the family" and that many of the scientists may not desire to disclose 
unverified infomation for fear of damaging MACA’s position. 


An early re-interview with Dr. SELDEN is anticipated and it is planned 
that this particular point will be emphasized. 




BELL advised that he believos SELDEN .to be comTiletely loyal to the United 
States and has been extremely security conscious. This is corrobated by 
)PIES Security Officer, KACA, Cleveland. 

^7 NOJ' SS586&ALL, Assistant Chief of Research, also ad-rlsed th't Dr. SELr-ii- 
is, in his opinion, loyal to the United States and quite security coi - 
scious, having the reputation of bt.ing "a worrier and ir.oLhering t/.e 
security problem." HALL also ad'/ised BELL and later SA JOHi' 3. O'-DjKu jriUE 
that ho felt in many iristances that sciciitists are a bit reluctant to I 

3wiCL. ' RECOSCEO -llli 


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Director, FBI May 17, 19S1 

IdiscXose unverified irifonnation to anyone outside of their own organi- 
I zation and believed that data of this sort could probably, be obtained 
1^ by Bureau agents through scxne other source within NAC A. j 

cc: New York (65-15387) 

Albany (65rl673) 

Albuquerque 

Balt imor e ( 65-17 80 ) 

Boston (65-3393) 

Buffalo (65-2003 
Chicago 

Cincinnati ( 65-1744) 

Detroit (65-2269) 

Knoxville (65-488) 

Los Angeles (65-5075) 

Newark (65-4100) 

New 'Haven 
Norfolk (65-514) 

Philadelphia (65-4384) 

Pittsburgh (65-1386) 

San Diego 

San Francisco 

St. Louis (65-1571) 

Seattle (65-5122) 

Washington Field (65-5543) 


^.pproved . // 

Forwarded ^ 


'^“^'Spe c ia X . Agent 
ip' Q^iar ge 


Copies 7773 ^ 
5-Bureau (65-59312) 

5-New York (65-15387) i 

1-Albany (65-1673) (info)vl , 
1-Albuquerque (info) 
l-Baltimore (65-1780) (info 
1-Boston (65-3393) (info) 
1-Buffalo (65-2003) (info) 
1-Ohiaago (info) 

1- Oincinnati (65-1744) (info) 

2- Detroit (65-2269) (info) 
1-Knoxvxlle (65-483) (info) 
1-Los Angeles (65-5075) (info) 
l-Newark (65-4100) (info) 
1-New Kqven (info) 

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R-4-7 — NGV-3249SQ 


SECculTV 



Origin NEW YORK CTr'?7: i 

Report Made At I 

CLEVEUND ) y^y .51 
Title 

WILLI/M PERL, aka. 


STRICTLY CO?J | gMTIAL 

SYNOPSIS: JULIUS ROSENBERG alleg|a to have received data 

re nuclear propelled aircraft in 1948. Also 
alleged he received such data from WILLIAM PERL. 

NACA officials believe ROSENBERG referred to 
1 ' Lexington Report, a detailed study of the feasibility 

’ of nuclear powered flight, prepared in Sununer of 

' 1948. PERL allegedly had no access to this or 

other AEG data. Approximately 10 to 12 pages 
^ of one copy of Lexington Report at NACA found 

missing in February 1949. NACA officials be- 
• lieve thi^t^b^bin^^v^rro^^Oneinfonnantr \ 

^lieges in- \ 

i : istructed another scientist to^^rnish^^RL with j 

H I AEC data. This is denied "by 

^ 1 person allegedly instructed todosoby^HHlllllHlll 






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COPIES (Continued) 

2-Norfolk (65-514) 

1-Phila de Iphia ( 65-4384 ) ( inf o ) 
1-Pitts burgh (65-1386) (info) 

1- San Diego (info) 

2- San Francisco 

1-St. Louis (65-1571) (info) 

1- Seattle ( 65-3122 ) ( info 

2- Washington Field (65-5543) 
4-Cleveland (1-65-2726) 


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D3rAlL3i / 

»33, cjnfessa:: S-viot Ac^nt, teatiXted in the 
recent eapiona^ cas-3 of the Uniti-.l State^varsus JILIUS liG, 

et.al,, that 8~taetir!9 during 194S JIiLIl;S)(^S3®33C tuld hiia that he 
(l iiSli TKl) hac’ the mat^iarjatias on- tiie ;^ublen of at^ailo energr for 
airplanes, •Jii^h probleu had just been cotaplstad “by the scientists* 
SubsscpiehtljE, advised that this stateiant was probably 

itafle to him by in S-eptenber or Cctober of 1948, out there 

r^s a possibility the infomatian ryiy have bean received in the 
Spring of 1948, 


K 


T-1, of unknorm reli-cbility, has advised that JilLIUS ?l( SlUiBlIlG 
has stated that WILLT.iii P31L had fumishe^l him much valuable inforcation, 
inoludinf-; the plans for the use of nuclear energy in the propulsion of 
aircraft* The Atomic 3nargy Ccnsdsstati has advise^ as follows* 

■The i;iPA (Ihiclear Sftergy Propulsion of Aircraft) is a 
Divisicn of the Fairchild aigins and Airplane Corporation unrler eon» 
tract to tho United States Air Force and was established and moved 
into the S-50 area of Oak ilidge, Tennessee in the Fall cf 1946* The 
initial efforts of the I'.SPix staff were devoted to literature surveys, 
compilation of nuclear end other data from ASC sources, its analysis 
and devslop’^ent of a comprehensive pro>pram. By the riddle of 1947 most 
of these surveys, analyses, and Suce basic experiments had beon per- 
fonned by Northrop, Frederic Flader, ii.I.T, and the. KoFA grewp, . 

• *87 the Fall of 1948 the basic research program was well uivior 

way in the KEPA project. To aid in this program manber companies to 
K3 Pa were to particips-te* In adJition a rumber of scientists prominent 
in their respective fields ware retained as consultants, 

■During lata 1947’ anrl early 1943 the A3C entered into a con- 
tract with the Iiaosachusetts Institute of Tedu ology to form a group 
known as the L 3 xLng^^Jn Project to invsotig.ito the status of nuclear 
energy for the propulsion of aircraft and to nake recocnendations as 
to tho future course of studies .o be made in this field. This study 
ras oon-Hicted /at Lexington, Massachusetts under the chairmanship of 
Dr. ^ALinyihKim^l', Head, Departcent of Chemical Engine aring, M.I.r, 
The work was^^s^^foroted by meebers of tha faculty of U.I.T, and from 
many other sources. The group completed its work and submitted its re- 
port to tho Oonaission on September 3d» 1748* » 

"The report submitted to tho Consisslon was title**, *lhiclear 
Porrjred Flight* and is classified iUfJilTr, Chapter 3 of tho report con- 
eems'l » Power Plants,* This chapter was expanded upon in a supplenental 


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report titled, 'Appendices to Chapter 3 - Power Plants, Kuclear Powered 
Flight.* The supplement is a mathematical analysis of a nuclear power 
plant and is also classified SECPJET, Following the report on December 8> 
1948 the Ad Hoc Ccamnittee for the A.NP (Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion) was 
formed, consisting of representatives of the Air Force, Navy Bureau of 
Aeronautics, and the NACA, under the chairuianship of Dr. L. R.-I-LAFSTAD, 
Director, Division of Reactor Development, /lEC. This committee was to 
act as the general p>olicy forming committee for the overall ANP program 
pjarticipjated in by the AEC, Department of Defense, and NACA. 

"The AEC position of the program was instituted at Oak Ridge 
National Laboratory under the technical direction of Dr. ALVE^- KEINffiRG; 
the NAC/- program at the Lewis Flight Propulsion Laboratory, Cleveland, 
Ohio under the technical direction of Dr. AHS'^SILVERSTEIN; the Adr Force 
was to continue at the NEPA Division of Fairchild Engine and Airplane 
Corporation at Oak Ridge with various subcontracts to NEPA. 


\ apl 
V_pe* 


•’The Lexington Project report referred to above contains an 
appendix reflecting visits and discussions made by Lexington Project 
personnel with individuals in other organizations 



iMiss ETHEL V. LYON, Chief Librarian, 'Lewis Flight Propulsion 
Laboratory, National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, Cleveland, Ohio, 
made available copies of the Lexington Report to the writer and 
SA FREDERICK L. EDWARDS, and on pages D-4 and D-5 there is set forth a 
brief description of NACA's participation in the Lexington Project. 

This is set forth immediately hereafter: 


•'Restricted Dat^ 


"S E C R E T" 

'The-N;TI®/.L ADVISORY COIiMITTEE FOR 


AERONAUTICS" 


yThe National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics was established 
by the Congress in 1915 to be the Government's aeronautical research 
agency. Tte enabling act charges the NAxCA with 'study of the problems 
of flight with a view to their practical application.' The NACA main- 
tains a small headquarters staff in Washington and owns and operates 
three laboratories — at Langley Field, Virginia, at Moffet Field, 
California and at Cleveland, Ohio, The total NACA staff is about 6500. 
Since 1945 the NACA has been studying the application of nuclear energy 
tc aircraft propulsion. Members of the Lexington Project staff have 
made visits to the Lewis Flight Propjulsion Laboratory (Cleveland, Ohio) 
of the NACA to discuss these studies. Members of the NACA staff have 
also visited Lexington. 

"The NACA invastigations on nuclear energy power plants f-^r 
aircraft liave been chiefly in the fields of analysis of power pl'^nt 
cycles suitable for the application of nuclear energy, heat-transfer 
research and high temperature materials research. The purposes of 


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/these researches are to provide the NATIONAL MILITAP^Y ESTABLISHMENT and 
/the aircraft industry with infomation on which to base the developnent 
I of a power plant for nuclear-powered aircraft. No particular power 
plant cycle has been reconunended as j-et, the overall purpose of the 
analysis being at present to deterinin .2 the advantages and disadvantages 
of the different cycles. The analyses include the open and closed 
cycles with the emphasis on optimizing each cycle. 

' "Experimental researches in heat transfer are extending the 

existing data on heat-transfer coefficients to the range of temperatures 
and heat flows that would be experienced in a nuclear reactor for an 
aircraft po^v^r plant. Liquids, gases, metals and refractories are 
being investigated. 

"The work of the NACA on high -temperature materials is con- 
ducted on metals, ceramics and ceramets and is expected to provide 
information which will permit the use of higher temperatures in the 
turbine engines and will afford greater reliability of the highly heated 
engine parts. Some consideration has been given to the problem of 
shielding and to the effects of radioactivity on materials that might 
be used in an aircraft reactor. 

"To further its knowledge in the study of nuclear energy the 
NACA has established a working agrEcnent with the Atomic Energy 
Commission through the Oak Ridge and A rgctce National laboratories, and 
has assigned members of its staff to these laboratories. Conferences 
between the NEPA and MAC/ staffs are also held to insure that tte two 
organizations benefit from each other's work." 

Dr. ROBERT fT~SELDEN, Materials and Thermodynamics Heaeeroh 
Division, Lewis Flight Propulsion Laboratory, NACA, was interviewed 
on May 3, 1951 by SA FREDERICK L. EDWARDS and the writer, at which time he 
furnished the following information concerning the Lexington Project: 

All Atonic Energy Comrdssion and NEPA material has. been 
addressed to him since NACA began active of the feasibility of 

a nuclear poviered aircraft, SELDEN was one of the originators of the 
plan and acted as chairman of a committee organized in 1946 for this 
purpose. No AEC data was '•vailabls --a arid their work was 

based on imblished materiax and the committee's c«vn know! edge until the 
Spring o.f 1947 v-hen £SLD’*’.N v.-as authorized to visit the Oak Ridge 
Nation-: 1 Laburatcr,/ , 

Primarily the study at Nj'CA centered on mathematical and 
thermo d.v:irir leal rn'i such robleirs as the size of ur.rts to 

be vsfdu. as renctars, engines, mi sN.i elding of the source oi' r-^oljsr 
energy. The study oS heat orcuoiei and i-iatu-na!! s to be used in applyir.g 




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these principles also received consideration. The main experiment 
was in the practical utilization of nuclear energy, of which they 
knew nothing, to replace the combustion chamber in an ordinary engine, | 


Dr, SELEGN was chosen, as a result of his position as chairman 
of the informal committee described heretofore, to act in a liaison 
capacity between the Atomic Energy Commission and NACA at Cleveland, 

He worked xinder Dr, A.DDISDN M,'~ROTHROCK and made visits to Oak Ridge 
and the Argonne National Laboratory at the University of Chicago and 
on his return discussed what he had learned with those who were engaged 
in this work at NACA, 


\ ; All reports concerning NEPA, an Air Force Contractor, and 
AEC were sent to SELEEN and were charged out to those persons who 
had NEPA or AEC clearance and were entitled to them. He stated that 
the charge-out records were maintained by the Lewis Library now and 
prior to the Spring of 1949 by his then secretary IRENE M. -KIVES. 

At no time did WILLIAM PERL have access to these reports. Dr. SELIEN 
advised that he recalled the Lexington Report which, he stated, was 
a study of the feasibility of building a nuclear powered aircraft and 
was compiled at M.I.T. by a group of scientists commissioned by AEC, 

The project lasted during the Summer of 1946, from June 1 to September 30, 
and its purpose was to get the best scientific estimate of the feasibility 
of using any given engine cycle such as steam, turbojet, rocket, etc., 
and to compare the values of using a pilotless, tow craft or conventional 
aircraft. It was in effect, the laying of the groundwork for an 
effective approach, to the problem. 


SELEEN advised that he knew of no instance where PERL could 
have received the Lexington Report or other classified data concerning 
the NEPA Project, He did recall that after visiting Oak Ridge National 
Laboratory, he discussed what he had learned at general conferences and 
recalled PERL attending several of these. He described these as general 
discussions of unclassified data. 


SELDEN stated that if a person remarked, in 1948, that he had 
received the mathematics on the problem of atomic energy for airplanes, 
which problem had just been completed by the scientists, it would be 
quite likely he was referring to the Lexington Report, SELDEN was 
unable to furnish any other |^ti«tial source. 

At no time during the interview did Dr. SELDEN make mention 
I of missing pages in any copy of the Lexington Report in the possession 
of the Lewis Flight Propulsion Laboratory, NACA, nor did he offer any 
I suggestion as to how PERL might have gained access to this or other 
^ AEC material. He did state, however, that when PERL returned from 
Columbia in the Summer of 1948, he exhibited interest in nuclear work 


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and SEIDEN pointed out that the conferences attended by PERL, which are 
mentioned above, took place after the Summer of 1949. 

It is noted that PERL was probably moved to the Materials 
and Stresses Building, which is the center of nuclear research at 
NLCA, Cleveland, shortly after a request was put in for his clearance 
in November 1949. 

Dr. SEIDEN stated that PERL, while in the Materials and 
Stre/sscs Riilding, was engaged in a general study of the physics of 
solids and had no access to classified material while there. 

JESSE HALL, Assistant Chief of Research; EUGEIE J.'TUNaANIELLO, 
Assistant ^ief of Research; and AEE SILVERSTEIN, Chief of Research; and 
SIDNEY MV^IMON, were interviewed by the writer and SA JREDSRICK L. 

EDWARDS, and they, in substance, agreed with the remarks of Dr. SELDEN. 

* 

JESSE HALL advised that he once heard Dr, SELEEN say that 
PERL got too much information from EEN'T’II'JKEL, who, since the summer of 
1949, has been in charge of the Materials and Thermodynamics Division, 
and who has Immediate supervision over the nuclear studies, 

SILVERSTEIN and MANGAIHELLO both advised that it was incon- 
ceivable to them that PERL could have access to either the Lexington 
Report or other AEC data, pointing out that it would be difficult for 
PERL to have gained even illegitimate access to this material. 

MANGu'JJIELLO advised that it was his opinion that everyone who had />EC 
clearance at the time the Lexington Report was issued probably read 
the report or at least glanced through .it, if for nothirg but to satisfy 
-their curiosity,- He pointed out that copies were charged out to 
Division chiefs and they in turn could charge the documents to sub- 
ordinates, who had clearance, on a day by day basis. The records of 
these daily charge outs were kept by Division chiefs and there was 
no regulation requiring that these rc^cords be kept for any specific 
period, MANG/UIELLO recalled that he himself had loaned the copy 
charged out to him to those men who worked for him on a day by day 
basis and that he had kept records of such. However, he advised that 
after a detailed search, he was no longer able to locate these records 
and presumed that they had been destroyed when he moved from the Engine 
Research Division to Assistant Chief of Research. He pointed out that 
he had no control over these charge outs after he became Assistant 
Chief of Research, 

All of the aforementioned advised that any competent physicist 
could advance mathematical compilations and theories for the production 
of a nuclear propelled aircraft engine, but they also agreed that the 
Lexington Report represented the best scientific thinking cf the time. 




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Their opinion was undivided with the exception of Dr. SIMON in that 
EEIRL could himself have prepared his own ccxapilations with a great 
degree of accuracy. Dr. SIMON felt that PERL would not be able to 
furnish a detailed analysis such as was contained in the Lexington 
Report. 


ETHEL V, LYON, Chief Librarian, Lewis Flight Propulsion 
Laboratory, NACA, advised that four copies of the Lexington Report 
are nov maintained by the Lewis Library: 

Copy Number 87 
" « 89 A 

" •• 52 B 

« M 47 B 


, There is also one copy of the appendices to Chapter 3 of 
the Lexington Report. 

Miss LYON advised that her records reveal that copies have 
been available to the following scientists since the Library assumed 
control of these copies in approximately April of 1949; 

JOHN HrUOLLINS 
ROBERT W.'^LL 
ROBERT w. -S pooner 
ffiN PINKEL 

'The appendices to Chapter 3 have been available to the 
following people: 

TIBOR F.^CEY, from April 29, 1949 to December 9, 1949 
Dr. ROBERT F. SELDEN, from December 9, 1949 to December 15, 1949 
WARREN "LOW DERM LD, from December 16, 1949 to November 7, 1950 
TIBOR F. NAGEY, November 7, 1950 to date. 


Miss LYON claimed the records were very erratic until she 
was given control of the Lexington Report Mtt she stated she has 
maintained close control of these documents einc& and at no time were 
they available to WILLI/M PERL. She also advised that as of January 23, 
1948 the following persons had Atomic Eiergy clearance or NEPA clearance; 
those bearing an asterisk in front of their name had both. 


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NEPA CI£i\RANCE 

♦"BOHROWSKY, ALFRED r/ 

♦'BROCKWAY, UWRENCE 0. 

♦ 'COUJNS, JOHN H., JR. 

"IJW.yiD, JOHN COOPER 

♦ TCEVES, IREIE Mx'RY 
‘•B'.UM, M/JiGUERITE E. 

♦ 'MANGi\NIELLO, EUCSNE J. 

♦^PINKEL, BENJAMIN 
♦'ROIHROCK, A.M. 

'SANDERS, J. C. 

» -ZANDERS, N. D. 

♦ SEIDEN, ROffiRT F. • 

♦ 'h^IE, LEROY V. 

^klTIEL, J. H. 

'’VALERINO, MICH/EL F. * , 

ROBERT A. 

♦'KEMPER, C;JU.TON 
#_'GERSTEIN, MELVIN 
♦'SHARP, EDWViRD R. 

IRENE M. KIVES, Secretary to the Director, Lewis Flight 
Propulsion Laboratory, NACA, Cleveland, Ohio, advised that all 
copies of the Lexington Report were received originally by Dr. 
ROBERT F. SELDEN, to whom all AEG mail wis addressed. She fvcrnished 
the following list of ch£u:ge outs; 

Lexington Report, Copy 87 was received October 1948 j copy 
88A, November 1948; copy 89A, February 1949; copy 32B, January 1949; 
and copy 74B, April 1949, 

The supplement to Chapter 3 was received on December 24, 

1948. 


These copies were charged as follows; 


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Copy 32B to BEN PD'IKEL in January lS49j copy 52B to JOHN H, 
COLLINS, *JR. in March 1949; copy 87 to Dr. UKRENCE 0 mOCKWAY in 
October 1948; copy 87 to ALIHED R. BOBROWSKI in November 1948; copy 
88A to ABE SILVERSIEIN in November 1948. 

Miss KIVES advised that in February 1949 copy 88A was found 
to be defective in that it was missing several pages from Chapter 7, 
including figures VII-1 to VII-42. She furnished the following re- 
cord of copy number 88A and the correspondence pertaining to this 
copy; 

r "Record of Copy No. 88 A of lEX P-1” 

"Received at Lewis Laboratory November 4, 1948 from M\CA 
Headquarters . 

, "Routed to Abe Silverstein November 29, 1948, returned to 
Dr, Selden's files December 10, 1948, 

"Routed to B.-Pinkel January 3, 1949. 

"Returned to NACA Headq, February 1,- 1949, 

"Received at Lewis Laboratory March 23, 1949 from NACA 
Headquarters . 

"Retained by Dr. SELDEK until returned to NA.CA Headquarters 
April 7, 1949." 

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' "SECRET" 


"Washington, D, C, 
November 4, 1948 


"From NACA 

"To Lewis - Attention Dr. R. F,* Selden 

"Subject; Lexington Project Report 

"Reference; NACA letter October 11, 1948 

"1. There is transmitted herewith Copy No. 88 A of 
Lexington Project Report Lex P-1, Copy No. 87 A of this report was 
preAdously transmitted with reference letter. 

"2. This report contains restricted data within the meaning 
of the Atomic Energy Act of 1946 and is for the use of only those 


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persons having AEG clearance. 


/S/ Addison R, iothrook 
Assistant Sector of 
Aeronautitstl Research 


"Enclosure 

REL;bh« 


"From Lewis 

"To KACA Headquarters 



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«S E WR E T 


"Cleveland, Ohio, 
Feb. 1, 1949 


Attention; Mr. A. M/ Rbthrock 


"Subject; Retxirn of Copy No, 88, Seriej i, of ’Nuclear-Powered Flight' 
a report to the Atomic Energf Commission by the Lexington 
Project, dated September SB, 1948, 

"Reference; NACA letter, November 4, 33®, REL;bh 

"1, The enclosed copy No. 88, Series A, of the Lexington 
Project report was transmitted to this Mwratory with reference 
letter. Upon inspection of this copy, m find that figures VII-1 
through VII-42 have been omitted, Inasasch as these figures have 
an important bearing upon the over-all csmclusions reached in this 
report, it is requested that an attempt he made to procure the missing 
figures and have them incorporated in Cagf No. 88 or substitute another 
copy of the subject report for use at laboratory," 



/S/ Edrerf R. Sharp, 

Director 

«RFS;imk 

"Encs," 

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jj "Washington, D, C, 

March 23, 1949 



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’’From NACA 

”10 Lewis - Attention Dr. R. F. Selden 

"Subject: Transmittal of Copy No, 88, Series A, of Lexington Project 

Report "Nuclear-Powered Flight" 

"Reference: Lewis letter February 1, 1949, RFS;imk, Encs, Secret 

"1, As requested by Dr, Selden there is enclosed herewith 
copy No, 88, Series A, of the subject report which was returned to 
Headqv^ters with reference letter because of missing figures. The 
report is still incomplete in that figures VII-1 through VII-42 have 
not been supplied." 


"Enclosure 

"REL 

"bh" 


/S/ Addison M, Rothrock 
Assistant Director of 
Aeronautical Research 



"When separated from 
enclosure, handle this 
document as unclassified 


"Restricted Data 

"This document contains restricted data as 
"defined in the Atomic Energy Act of 1948 


"Washington, D. C* 
April 5, 1949 


"From NACA 

"To Lewis - Attention Dr. R, F, Selden 

'Subject: Transmittal of Copy No, 74B of Lex P-1 Report 

"1, There is transmitted herewith copy No. 74B of Report 
Lex P-1 which is to replace copy No. 88A delivered to Dr. Selden by 
hand on March 23, 1949, 

"2, The laboratory is requested to return copy No. 88A to 


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Headquarters." 


/S/ Addison M, Rothrock 
Assistant Director of 
Aeronautical Research 

"Enclosure 
"Lex P-1, copy 74B 

"REL 

"bh" 


••RESTRICTED DAT/ 

This document contains 
data as defined in the 
Act of 1946. 

• "Cleveland, Ohio, 

April 7, 1949 


"S 


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pi 


restricted 
Atcmic Energy 


••When separated from 
enclosiire handle this 
document as unclassified*^ 


"From Lewis 

•To NACA Headquarters Attention; Mr. Addison M. Rothrock 
"Subject: ' Return of -copy number 88, Series A of Lex P-1 report, 

’•References; (a) KACA letter, April S, 1949, REL bh (secret) 

(b) NACA letter, March 23, 1949, REL bh (secret) 

(c) Lewis lotter, February 1, 1949, RFS.-imk (Secret) 

(d) Ni\CA letter, November 4, 1948, RELtbh (Secret) 

"1. The subject copy is being returned as requested in 
reference (a). It will be noted that this imperfect copy contains 
two portions of Chapter 7 but lacks the various figures which pertain 
to this chapter, 

"2, This imperfect copy was transmitted originally with 
reference (c) with a request for a good replacement copy. This re- 
placement copy has been received in the fom of No, 74B of report Lex 
P-1 transmitted with reference (a)," 


/S/ Edward R. Sharp, 
Director 

•'RFS;mes 

Encs* Cofy No, 88, Series A report Lex P-1" 

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. It is here pointed out ttet Dr, SELEEN made no mention of 
the missing pages from copy 88A, although it is noted he handled the 
correspondence in this matter as is reflected by the initials '’RFS.” 
None of the other persons interviewed mentioned these missing pages. 
However, JESSE R,''.LL was re-interviewed subsequent to the discovery 
that there h.^d been some missing pages in copy 88A and he advised 
he had not mentioned it at first because he did not deem it relevant 
to the inquiry. It was his belief that the missing pages were due to 
a binding error, although he did not recall the incident too clearly. 

It is pointed out that from an inspection of other copies of the 
Lexington Report this document is paper bound, approximately one inch 
thick, stapled with three stapl;s, which staples are covered by a 
strip of black linen tape. It is also pointed out that ROffiR'F'ijELL, 
National Security Officer, NACA, was advised hy the Atomic Energy 
Commission on May 8, 1951 that they had located this copy and furnished 
it to the FBI laboratory for examination. 


It was also pointed out to BELL that there we.-e two sections 
of Chapter 7 in this copy and no group of charts and diagrams attached 
thereto, which would indicate that in all probability, a binding error 
had occurred in that a second chapter 7 had been inadvertently inserted 
in place of the unnumbered section of charts and diagrams. 


BELL advised that ho made a detailed study of memoranda written 
by WILLIAM PERL with the aid of JESSE K/.LL, He stated that this involved 
a review of memoranda in various departments of NACA and that he had' 
located one memorandum which in his opinion may well indicate PERL had 
knowledge _of classified infornu;tion contained in the Lexington Report, 

He advised that he had discussed this question with Affi SILVERSTEIN, 

JESSE H^'iLL, Dr. EDW/RD R. SH^'RP, Director of the Lewis Flight Propulsion 
Laboratory, end others, but that opinion was divided as to whether this 
memorandum required a knowledge of classified data. BELL advised that 
he would take this memorandum to Washingterand discuss its contents 
with Dr, ADDISON M, ROTHROCK, Assistant Director of Research, NACA, and 
Dr. HUOR'i^RIDCM Director of MACA, and will advise either the Bureau 
liaison represen-tative or the Washington Field Office. 


BELL also advised that a confident^^^ourcc had stated that 
^ (the sourc e) had heard a rumor that had instructed 

to give WI LLI/JI PERL AEG data, BELL ad'vised he contacted 
and they de nied that any such inst ance had 
occurred. It is pointed out that both to 

the writer and SA fREDERICK L. EDwiilDS the^thc^ha^^^er^ven any data 
to PERL to which ho was not legally entitled. 




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REFERENCE; 



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DJFORM-'fjTS 


T-1 - JEROME EUGElvE T/JlT^JCO'w, who has been 

incarcerated in the Federal Detention 
Hov&S in New York City with JULIUS 
ROSENBERG 


Report of S/. JOHN B, O'DONOCHUE, 3/27/51, Cleveland. 
Bureau letters, 4/27,4/28, and 5/2/51, 

Washington Field Office teletype, S/4/51. 

Bureau teletype, 5/5/51,- 
Cleveland teletype, S/lO/Sl. 


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Attention: General Counsel 

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Administration Building 
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Attention; General Counsel 
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Composite summary of 

as obtained fi-om MX and HELENE ELITCKER 
reported. Discrepancies^ additions and 
deletions noted. EIITCIIER nov; states PERL 
and SOBELL visited in Washlnc'oon in 1939 
or 1940 . Likev;ise, SC3ELL visited PERL 
in Virginia during this period . From 1939 
to 1941 , PERL and SODELL in correspondence. 

In September, 1944, ELITCHER states group, 
including PERL, at Blrd-Tn-Hand Restaurant, 
NYC, and about Christmas, 1946, group, 
including PERL, at Blue Mill Restaurant, NYC, 
and later that evening at ROSENBERG* 
apartment. S03ELL advised ELITCHER 
PERL's activities, including transfer from 
Langley Field, Virginia, to Cleveland in 
194 3 » type of v^ork he v/as doing, and 
associetlon with girl there. xiELENE ELITCHER 
recalls subjeci. of conversation Ixad v/lth 
PERL enroute to ROSENBERG 's apartment 
about Christmas, 19^6. Investigation re 
iERL’s reference to "The boy \;ho ovjns the 
drug store — Sobc]l." reported. SODELL 's 
father ov;ned and operated drug store in 
Bronx from 19^6 to Au':uct, 1940. SOBELL 
listed rrOTTEiRPERL as iml’erence in Nav^- 
records in 1939 and again in 194^-' . • v 


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SYNOPSIS - (Continued): 


Investigation re PERL letter 10/31/41 
reported. RUTH ALSCHER interviev;ed, 
negative. Information re VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN 's reference to "ship Incident" 
Involving JOEL BARR and PERL reported. 
ELEANOR CLASSMAN, MILTON CLASSMAN, 
subject's brother SAMUEL PERL, and 
STANLEY ROBERT RICH interviewed. 

PERL married HENRIETTA SAVIDGE at NYC 
on 10/21/50 and now resides v;ith her 
at her apartment 104 E. 33th St., NYC. 
AUSA, 5DNY, will render final opinion 
as to prosecution of PERL at conclusion 
of ROSENBERG and SOBELL trial. 


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Xcoples continued) 

3- Clevoland (65-2730) 

1-Knoxville (65-488) (Inf.) 

1-Los Angeles (65-5075) (Inf.) 

1 -Newark (65-4100) (Inf.) 

1-San Francisco (Inf.) 
l-Uashington Field (65-5543) (Inf . ) 

4- Nev/ York 


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TABLE OF CONTENTS 

PAGE 

I. SUMT'iARY OP INFORMATION FURNISHED BY 


MAX AND HELENE ELITCHER, 4 

II. ADDITIONAL INFORMTION RE ASSOCIATION OP 

PERL AI'ID MORTON SOBELL, 17 

III. INTERVIEW OP RUTH ALSCHER, 24 

IV. INFORMATION RE "SHIP INCIDENT" - 

VIVIAN CLASSMAN, 25 

V. INTERVIEW OF ELEANOR CLASSMAN, . 28 

VI. INTERVIEW OP MILTON CLASSMAN, 34 

VII . INTERVIEV/ WITH SAMUEL PERL, 3^ 

VIII . INTERVIEW OP STANLEY ROBERT RICH, 39 

IX. PERL'S MARRIAGE AND RESIDENCE AT 


104 EAST 38 th STREET, NEV; YORK CITY, ... 4l 
X. PROSECUTIVE OPINION, 43 


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DETAILS : 

I. SUMMARY OF INFORMATION FURNISHED 

BY M/vX AK^D HELENE ELITCHER 

MAX and HELENIL^LITCHER have been Intervlevved period- 
ically since they v/ere initially contacted by agents of the 
Nevj York office on July 20, 1950. In subsequent interviews, 
their associations with JULIUS^ROSENBERG, WILLIAM PERL, 
and other members of the group have been r€vi&-,;ed resulting 
in more detailed information being obtained relative to 
the dates of the meetings and details of the conversations 
which occurred at these meetings. It is noted, however, that 
in reviev/ing this information certain discrepancies have 
become apparent which for the niost part now have been 
resolved. The following is a composite summary of Information 
concerning PERL furnished by MAX and HELEKE ELITCHER. 

M/'.X ELITCHER has stated that he knew PERL v/hlle at 
the City College of Nevj York from 193^ to 1938 when both 
received engineering degrees. He said they were fu]'’ther 
associated on the City College campus during September 
and October, 1938^ v;hei. both v;ere taking postgraduate 
courses . 


He said they were the only two members of the 
graduating class v;ho took these postgraduate courses. 
According to ELITCHER, he and PERL became quite friendly 
and spent practically all of their time on the campus 
together. He added that he got to know PERL quite well 
and likuihlm, but said ttot this relationship during the 
above tv;o month period was confined only to the campus . 

He said he never vjent out socially with PERL, nor did he 
visit PERL's hone. 

ELITCHER further stated that PERL and JULIUS 
ROSENBERG knew each other at the City College of New York 
but he did not know the extent of their relationship at 
that time. 

ELITCHER has stated likewise that PERL knew MORTON 
N_^S0BELL at City College and that both graduated In the same 
’'class. PERL, however, in various interviews v/as .shown 
a photograph of SOBELL but failed to identify it, although 
he said he recognized the name of SOBELL as a casual 
acquaintance at school. Concerning SOBELL, MAX ELITCHER 


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has said R03EI©ERG told him that SOBELL was cooperating v;lth 
ROSENBERG in espionage activities. 

ELITCIIER also 'originally advised he did not see 
PERL from the time they graduated in 1938 until 19^1-^ in 
Nev; York City in the company of JULIUS ROSEN lEKG. 

I'T/.X ELITCHER has subsequently recalled having seen 
PERL in V/ashlngton^ D.C., in 1939 or 1940 in the company 
of IIORTOM SOBELL. In this connection ho recalled that In 
April, 1939 , he, ELITCHER, and MORTON SOBELL moved into 
an apartment at 4925 Seventh Street, N.VJ., \Jashington, D.C. 
and resided there for about one year. In April, 1940, he 
and SOBELL moved into an apartment at 2225 N Street, 
V/ashington, D.C., where he rej.iainecl until October, 1941. 
SOBELL had left this address in September, 1941, to attend 
the University of Michigan. ELITCHER recalled that v/hile 
he and SOBELL resided at 4925 Seventh Street, N.VJ,, 
V/aslilngton, D.C., they canieMowntown one day and met 
V/ILLIAM PERL vjho vjas spending the day in VJashington . 

ELITCHER recalled this meeting because it v.>as very v;arm in 
VJashington and PERL v.’as wearing a heavy overcoat. He added 
that they Joked about PERL's overcoat off and on during 
the day. ELITCIIER said that they did not go back to their 
apartment with PERL but remained in the downtovm section 
of V/ashington v;lth him for most of that day. 

According to MAX ELITCHER, at that time PERL was 
residing and vjorking in Virginia and had come up to 
\7ashlngton to visit them. He also recalled that MORTON 
SOBELL had made a trip to Virginia on one occasion to visit 
PERL. ELITCHER advised that SOBELL had given him, ELITCHER, 
a very graphic descrip i lon of the place vdiere PERL v.’as 
residing and told him that PERL had no friends and v/as 
lonesome. SOBELL also told ELITCIIER that PERL was renting 
a room in a private homo located in the suburbs. 

ELITCIIER has also stated that between 1939 end 
1941 , while in V/ashlngton, D.C., SOBELL vjas in corr'cspondcnce 
vjlth WILLIAM PERL and received postcards from liim and 
possibly letters. ELITCliER did not know whether SOBELL 
had corresponded with PERL after September, 1941, vjhen 
SOBELL left Washington. 


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VJith regard to ELITCHER’s statencnt of SOBELL's 
alleced visit to PERL in Virginia "betvjecn 1939 and 19^1# 

Mr. JOSEPH P/'DLUM and his wife, ANhTii'BLUM, brother-in- 
law and sister of V/ILLIAM PERL, have furnished correspondence 
received by them from V/ILLIAM PERL. Included in this 
correspondence vjas a letter dated February U, 19^0, written 
by V/ILLIAM PERL to his mother as follows: 

"Dear Ma, 

I am v;ell and trust that you are too. I*m very busy these 
days viith my Job, but it isn't hard work, just interesting. 

The v/eather's been pretty good here (there is onov; on the 
ground) but I have no cold and feel disgustingly healthy. 

I’m getting a svjeater because the old one just wore a hole 
through the elbow. The boys in the office have been 
watching for my shirt to sho\^ through and the suspense v/ao 
terrific but its all over nov; and I have to get a nev; one. 

My friend came down from V/ashington (the boy who owns the 
drug-store — Sobell) looking for a new job. He may be 
transferr’ed soon. 

Hov;’s Sammy making -out? Give me all the ghastly details. 
There’s nothing. m^(j^e to report. Greetings tojb^ie family, 

•“ " r- : /s/ Willy ’ •' 

P.S. Has Sammy heard any more about the thesis?" 

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It is noted that PERL v;as employed by the N.A.C.A. 
at Langley Field, Virginia, v;hon the above letter v/as 
v;rltten. 


It has been previously reported that MAX and 
HELEIvIE ELITCJIER have advised that JULIUS ROSEI'JBERG 
visited tlieir home in V/ashington, D.C,, for the first time 
in the spring of 19^^. However, they have since fixed the 
date of this first visit as occurlnf: after Juno 6, 1944, 

On the occasion of his first visit, Mrc^ ELITCVER has 
stated that she was not present during all of the 
conversation because she v/as asked to leave the room, 
so that MAX and R0SEN.3ERG could talk privately. Hov.’ever, 


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upon her return to the room the three engaged In a social 
conversation. It is noted that MAX ELITCHER has advised in 
connection v;ith this visit that ROSENBERG'S purpose in 
coming to his home vjas to persuade him to ftirnish confidential 
information to him. 

* It is nov; the recollection of both MAX and HELENE 

ELITCHER that ROSENBERG mentioned during the above social 
conversation that he had had a drink v;lth some Russian 
friend of his, not further identified. In celebration 
of the Allies invading the coast of France. It is noted 
that the D-Day Invasion on the coast of Prance occurred on 
June 6, 1944, and with this date in mind the ELITCHERs 
now state that ROSENBERG'S visit must have been during the 
summer of 1944, subsequent to June 6, 1944. 

VJhlle the above Incident does not directly involve 
WILLIAM PERL, it Is being set forth herein to correct the 
date of the ELITCHER contact v/ith ROSENBERG previously 
reported in instant case as being in the spring of 1944. 

It v;as previously reported in this case that HELENE 
ELITCHER had absolutely no recollection of JULIUS ROSENBERG 
visiting her home in VJashington,D. C. a second time. On the 
other hand, MAX ELITCHER has been very specific in recalling 
ROSENBERG'S second visit. He associated this second visit . 
by ROSENBERG X'/ith a photograph of his Virlfe which appears in 
the "Federal Record", a United Federal V/orkers of America 
publication for the V/ashlngton, D. C. area. 

A photostatic copy of the issue of the "Federal 
Record" dated September I9 , 1945j was shov/n to PIAX ELITCHER 
and he advised after studying the photographs on page 2 
that the photograoh appearing at the bottom of that page 
was the one that he recalled having been taken on the day 
that ROSENBERG visited him for the second time at his home 
in Washington, D, C. 

In view of the date of the issue of the "Federal 
Record" in which this photograph appeared, MAX ELITCHER 
acknowledged that he was wrong in originally saying that he 
believed that ROSENBERG contacted him in V/ashlngton for the 
second time during the fall of 1944. He indicated that on 


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the basis of the photograph appearing in the "Federal Record" 
he is nov) of the belief that ROSENBERG probably contacted 
him v;lthln one or two weeks prior to the date that the 
photograph appeared in the "Federal Record", which 
v/ould indicate that ROSENBERG probably sav; him during the 
first vjeek of September, 19^5* He did indicate, however, 

•that he was quite surprised to see this photograph appearing 
in an issue dated September, 19^^5, since that meant that an 
Interval of over a year had occurred between ROSEI'©ERG‘s 
visits to his home. He said he had previously been of the 
impression that ROSEIffiERG ' s second visit to him In 
Washington, D. C., occurred within a fev; months after the 
first one. ELITCHER ruled out, however, the possibility 
that ROSENBERG contacted him in Washington on more than the 
above tv;o occasions. 

A photostatic copy of the issue of the "Federal 
Record" dated September 19, 19^5> was then exhibited to 
HELENE ELITCHER through her husband, but she advised that 
while she recalled the picture being taken in VJashington 
she had absolutely no recollection of the other events that 
took place that same day and again said that she had no 
recollection of ROSENBERG having come to her home the second 
time . 

Bird In Hand Restaurant 
Nev; York City 
September, 


The ELITCHER s are novj of the opinion that their 
next contact with ROSENBERG, PERL and others mentioned in 
this case, occurred in Nev; York City about September, 19^H, 
at which time HELENE ELITCHER mot PERI, for the first time. 
It is noted that the ELITCHERs were married in Kay, 19^3> 
and Mrs. ELITCHER has ro information concerning the 
associations of her husband, ROSENBERG, PERL, or SOBELL 
prior to that time . 


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r-5AX ELITCHER has recalled that in about September of 
1944 , he and his wife v;ere In New York City, either for the 
day or on a vjeekend visit, and went to visit his mother at 
her home in Nev; York City. ELITCHER stated that he and his 
wife possibly visited RUTH-ALSCIiER at her home after seeing 
his mother since RUTH ALSCHER was pregnant and because her 
.-husband, MORRIS ALSCHER, now deceased, was in the Service 
at that time. It is noted that MORRIS-^LSCKER vvas MAX 
ELITCliER's brother. ELITCHER stated that he did not recall 
the circumstances of RUTH ALSCHER 's presence at the dinner 
with them later that day, but said that she was probably home 
alone vihen they visited her and that he and his v;if€ invited 
her to accompany them to dinner. 

He further recalled that by pre -arrangement he and 
his wife were to meet JULIUS ROSENBERG at the corner of 
42nd Street and 8th Avenue in New York City. ELITCHER stated 
that prior to his arrival there he icnew that V/ILLIAM PERL 
v;as going to be present. He said he did not knov/ hov/ he 
came into possession of this information but assumed that 
he had been told by ROSEKBERG that PERL would be with them 
that day. At any rate, the ELITCHERs and RUTH ALSCHER met 
JULIUS ROSENBERG at the aforementioned intersection in New 
York City and shortly thereafter WILLIAM PERL and his 
younger brother arrived. ELITCHER stated that the entire 
party v;alked up 8th Avenue, northbound, and were intent 
on going to Fornos Restaurant for dinner. It is noted that 
ROSENBERG had suggested Fornos Restaurant as a good place 
to eat. The curi’cnt Manhattant Telephone Directory lists 
a Fornos Restaurant at 236 West 52nd Street, New York City. 
ELITCHER stated that everyone was v;earlng light clothing that 
day indicating that the weather was still quite v;arm- He 
could not recall exactly but stated that they did not get 
into Fornos Restaurant because the restaurant was closed or 
because somebody was not v/earing a Jacket and was not 
permitted to eat at the restaurant without having one on. 

He recalled fvtrther that the group had dinner at 
the Bird In Hand Restaurant at 1659 Broadvjay, New York City, 
in lieu of Fornos Restaurant. ELITCHER and his v;ife have 
both stated that either during dinner or immediately there- 
after ROSENBERG made a telephone call to JOELH'BARR. BARR 


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subsequently joined the group at the restaurant and when 
dinner v-/as over they all returned to BARR'S apartment. MAX 
ELITCHER recalled that BARR had a roof garden apartment at 
the top- of an apartment building in the vicinity of 100th 
Street and Broadway and he further recalled that the entire 
group spent the whole evening outdoors which v;ould again 
’indicate that the day was a mild one. 

HELENE ELITCHER v/as of the opinion that this dinner 
at the Bird In Hand Restaurant had probably taken place 
during September, 19^4, since RUTH ALSCIIER v/as noticeably 
pregnant at that time. In this connection, the records of 
the Board of Health for the City of Nev; York, Certificate 
Mo. 4013, indicates that PETER JACK-T\LSCHER was born on 
February 4, 1945/ £it the Park West Hospital, New York 
City; that his father was MORRIS, 29 years of age, born In 
New York City, and a soldier in the IJ,S. Army; and his 
mother was RUTH-^'MOLBERTHAL, 22 years of age, born in New 
York City. The ALSCHERs at that time resided at 1445 
Madison Avenue, New York City. 

From this information, it would appear that the 
ELITCHERs are correct in assuming that the dinner party 
at the Bird In Hand Restaurant did occur during the 
month of September, 1944, since this vjas approximately 
five months prior to the time that RUTH ALSCHER gave 
birth to a son. 

Both MAX and HELENE ELITCHER agree that the entire 
party, v;ith the exception of RUTH ALSCHER, v.-ent later that 
same evening to the apartment of ALPRED^SARANT in Greenv;ich 
Village. It is noted that SARANT v;as residing at 65 Morton 
Street at that time. JIELENE ELITCHER recalled that when 
they arrived at SARANT’ s apartment they found he v;as asleep 
in bed but he got up, admitted them to his apartment, 
got dressed and entertained them with his guitar. She 
stated that they left his apartment quite late that night. 

Considering the location of PERL during September, 
1944 , It is recalled that he was t?ien employed at the 
N.A.C.A. in Cleveland, Ohio; however, a review of the leave 
records of the Lewis Flight Propulsion Laboratory, N.A.C.A., 
Cleveland, Ohio, by SA ANTHONY S. FERNANDEZ of the 
Cleveland office revealed PERL was on leave on Augubt 
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It is consldGred possible that PERL came to New York City 
during that vjeck and if so v/ould have been available to 
attend the above dinner gathering. In this connection, 

PERL vjhen questioned concerning his vihereabouts during the above 
week, accounted for the time as spent in Cleveland, Ohio, 
in fixing up the apartment at I 516 East 20th Street in 
anticipation of the arrival of HENRIETTA SAVIDGE. 

MAX ELITCHER has recalled that MORTON S03ELL had 
told him that PERL had been transferred to Cleveland, Ohio, 
to assume a new position v;ith N.A.C.A, ELITCHER believed 
that it was probably in 19^4 or 1945> but could not recall 
exactly V7hen SCBELL told him this. He also advised that 
SOBELL had advised him that PERL vjas working on theoretical 
aerodynamic problems, wind tunnels and so forth, and, 
according to SOBELL, PERL v/as not involved in vjorking 
on actual mechanisms or airplanes, but devoted his time 
to working equations and developing theories on the basis 
of these equations. SOBELL also told him that PERL v;as 
progressing in his work for the National Advisory Commission 
in Cleveland and Mas vjorking directly under the head of 
his particular unit. ELITCHER said that SOBELL had told 
him of PERL’s transfer to Cleveland prior to the date of 
the dinner party of this group v.’lth JULIUS ROSEl'SSRG at the 
Bird In Hand Restaurant in Nev; York City in September, 1944. 

VJith further reference to the association of PERL ' 
and MORTON SOBELL, ELITCHER and his wife both recalled a 
reference to a postcard i7hlch PERL had sent to SOBELL some- 
time betvjeen September, 1944, and October, 1948. MAX 
ELITCHER said that he did not see this postcard, but x-;as 
told about it by SOBELL on one occasion v;hen the latter 
visited ELITCHER ’s home in V/ashlngton, D. C. This visit 
occvirred during the above period, exact date not recalled. 

SOBELL quoted a few lines from this card to ELITCHER at the 
time of this visit. ELITCHER said that this v/as not an 
ordinary postcard but vjas one which contained a double- 
meaning and had some off-color references. He recalled 
this specifically because SOBELL thought it v;ao very 
funny and repeated a few lines from the card to him. 

ELITCHER further stated that SOBELL had kept him Informed 
of PERL's social life in Cleveland and had also told him that 
PERL was going v;lth a girl there, name unknovm, v;ho v;as 
very anxious to marry WILLIAM PERL. PERL, while involved 
with her, was quite anxious to find a suitable reason for 
not marrying her. 


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Blue Mill Restaurant 
Nev^ York City 
Christmas, 19^6 


It has been previously reported, according to 
information furnished by Mrs. ELITCHER, that she, her 
'husband, I-L’VX, WILilAH PERL, JOEL BARR, JULIUS ROSENBERG, 
MORTON and }IELEN:-80BELL had dinner at the Blue Mill 
Restaurant in Grecnv?ich Village shortly after Christmas, 
19^6, and that after this dinner party all went to the 
apartment of ALFRED SARANT at 65 Morton Street, Nov; York 
City, where they found a party in progress listening to 
recorded music in a darkened room. Thereafter, the group 
went to JULIUS ROSEi©ERG*s apartment in Knickerbocker 
Village, Nev; York City, where the group engaged in a 
discussion of the proper methods of rearing a child. 

Both MX and HELENE ELITCHER have since stated 
that they vjere mistaken about this occasion that they did 
not go to SARANT 's apartment from the Blue Mill Restaurant 
but went directly to JULIUS ROSENBERG'S apartment in 
Knickerbocker Village. It is noted that previous 
investigation has revealed SARANT moved from 65 Morton 
Street, New York City, to Ithaca, New York, in September, 

1945. 


The ELITCHERs now state that none of the above group 
v/ent to SARANT 's after dinner at the Blue Mill that 
evening. It is their present recollection concerning this 
party at SARANT 's V7hcn recorded music was played in the 
darkened apartment that same occurred about January, 1945^ 
or perhaps a few months thereafter. They now state that 
neither ROSENBERG, PERL, or SOBELL vjore present. They now 
recall that they v;erc in Mev; York either for tho day or 
for the v/eokend, made a phone call to JOEL DARR's home, 
and learned he was residing v.’ith ALFRED SARANT in 
Grecnv;lch Village. They then contacted BARR by phone at 
work, place not recalled, and he invited them to his and 
SARANT 's apartment at 65 Morton Street since a party vvas 
to be hold that night, b’hen they arrived they found the 
lights turned low and everyone v;as listening to music 
emanating from a record player. When the lights v/ere 
later turned on they did not recognize any of the people 
present. HELE]:E ELITCHER recalled secin ALl’RED SARANT puttin 
h'is arm around a girl wearing a prinv urecs and some 

remark to the effect that she v;as his future wife. She also 
believed that this girl, identity unknov.’n, vjas shovjlng off 
an engagement ring. 


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Since the SARANTs were married in July, 19^5; ^ind 
since they moved from this apartment at 65 Morton Street 
in September, 19^5, the ELITCHERs former recollection of 
the time of the Incident as Christmas, 19^6, is obviously 
erroneous. However, If as presently recalled same occurred 
in January, 19^5, or shortly thereafter their present 
recollection of the time of the event is corrobox’c.tcci 
so:.:evjhat by information available from other sources. 

Concerning the events of the above evening, 
about Christmas, 19^6, Mrs. ELITCHER now states that she 
and her husfand, MAX, vjero in New York City and by 
pre-arrangement met an individual whom she believed to be 
V/ILLIAM PERL outside of SARANT‘s apartment house in 
Greenwich Village. It is noted that previous investication 
has revealed that PERL vjas residing in SARANT's apartment 
at this time. Hov7ever, MAX ELITCHJiR is of the opinion 
that JULIUS ROSENBERG was the Individual V7ho met them 
outside the SAPulNT apartment. At any rate, PERL (or 
R0SE1®ERG) told them at that time the others were in a 
restaurant around the corner and that he had awaited their 
arrival at SARANT's apartment to save them v/alking several 
flights of stairs. MAX and HELENE ELITCHER, together v;lth 
WILLIAM PERL (or JULIUS ROSENBERG) then went to the 
restaurant v;hich HELENE ELITCHER described as the Blue 
Mill. The current New York City Telephone Directory 
for the Borough of Manhattan lists a Blue Mill Tavern 
at 50 Commerce Street, Nev; York City, which is located 
in the Greenwich Village section. V/hen they arrived at 
the restaurant, they found JULIUS ROSENBERG, JOEL BARR, 
MORTON SOBELL and his wife, HELEN, already there. The 
ELITCHERs and PERL (or ROSENBERG) joined the others 
for dinner. 

Mrs . ELITCHER stated that they did not leave the 
restaurant until quite late in the evening since they had 
to wait a considerable length of time before tliey were 
served. 


The ELITCHERs now state that they, WILLIAM PERL, 
JOEL BARR, JULIUS ROSENBERG, MORTON and HELEN SOBELL then 
proceeded to ROSENBERG’S apartment. Mrs. ELITCHER said 
that It v;as cither on that nicht that they vient to 
ROSENBERG'S apartment or possibly within a couple of days 
thereafter. She stated that upon arrivinc at ROSEErBERG ' s 
apartment, she was introduced to ETHEL ROSENBERG for the 
first time . ETHEL ROSENBERG v;as obviously pregnant on 
this occasion, according; to Mrs. ELITCHER. 

It is noted that ROBERT ROSENBERG war born May 14, 
1947 , in New York City, according to the records of the 
Board of Health. This tends to verify HELENE ELITCHER 's 
recollection of the time of the visit as about Christmas, 
1946. She stated also that the ROSENBERG'S had a 
Christmas tree in their apartment and oho indicated that 
this fact acaln substantiated her belief that the visit 
took place shortly after Christmas, 19!'J6. Mrs. ELITCHER 
recalled that there was a rather lengthy discussion among 
the group that night on the manner of bringing up Jev;ish 
children and also religious training for Jewish children 
and she recalled specifically that all of the married 
couples present vjere opposed in their beliefs to WILLIAM 
PERL and JOEL BARR, both of vjhom v;c“ro single. 

Both MAX and HELENE ELITCHER now state that they 
are sure that this visit to ROSENBERG'S apartment and 
the dinner at the Blue Mill Restaurant occurred on the 
same night shortly after Christmas, 1946. 

However, considering that the dinner at the Blue 
Mill Restaurant and the visit to ROSENBERG'S apartment 
should not have occurred on the same evening, Mrs, 

ELITCHER is unable to recall any specific events of the 
evening prior to the time they arrived in ROSENBERG'S 
apartment. She believed, however, that she and her 
husband, MTiX, and their oldest child. KAREN, were spending 
a day or two with h.er married sister, Mrs. MARGOLIES, 
v;ho resided in Brooklj^n, Now York. Mrs. ELITCHER did not 
kncwwliere she and MAX had dinner that evening if it v/as 
not at the Blue Mill Restaurant and could not say 
definitely whether they had dinner with the GOBldXs, 

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recall that all of the party arrived together at ROSEMBERG's 
apartment and from this fact she assumed that they probably 
had been together at dinner or else had met at some 
designated place before going to ROSENBERG’S apartment. 

She stated that her daughter, KAREN, v;as born 
'May 29 , 19^t6, and recalled that on the v;ay to ROSENEJERG's 
apartment on the occasion of this visit she and her 
husband stopped in several drug stores endeavoring to 
purchase Even-Plovj babj/ bottles. She stated that they were 
unable to locate any Even-Plow bottles until the;; tried 
a drug store near the corner of Monroe Street at 
Knickerbocker Village v;here ROSENBERG resided. They 
obtained the bottles at this drug store. 

V/lth further reference to the above evening, Mrs. 
ELITCRER recalls v;alking along the street and talking with 
VIILLIAM PERL, on the occasion .of one of the social evenings 
in Nov; York City. She is of the opinion that her conversa- 
tion v;lth PERL took place shortly after Christmas, 19 ^ 6 , 
when the above group was on the v;ay to ROSENBERG’S 
apartment in Knickerbocker Village. Concerning the 
conversation, she said PERL v'as very dejected at the time 
and seid that he ims lonesome. He told her either that 
his girl friend or hls wife was in California and he 
felt bad because ho could not be with her. She vjas unable • 
to recall the name of PERL's girl friend or v/ife but 
believes tlie name v/as mentioned during the course of the 
conversation. The name of HENRIETTA (SAVIDGE) vjas 
suggested to her but she showed no sign of recognition. 

Previous investigation in instant case has 
revealed tliat PERL resided in common-lav; relationship, 
from 19^^^ to 19^6 In Cleveland, Ohio, and Pasadena, 
California, with HENRIETTA SAVIDGE and that in June of 
19^6 they became estranged, PERL returning to New York 
City to attend Columbia University and SAVIDGE returning 
to California until February, 19^7. On this latter date, 
she returned to Nev; York City and resided in SARANT’s 
npar'tmcnt at 65 Morton Street which v;as made available 
to hor through VJILLIAM PERL. 

The above tends to bear out HELENE ELITCHER’s 
statement she- engaged PERI, in conversation on the vjay to 
ROSENBERG'S apartment about Christmas time, 19^^6. 




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MAX ELITCHER has stated that MORTON SOBELL told 
him on some unknovm date that PERL v/as attending Columbia 
University, Nevj York City, and V 7 as studying for a Ph.D 
degree in Englnooring. ELITCHER also had been told by 
SOBELL that PERL was working for someone at Columbia 
University while studying there. He further stated that 
•he was quite sure that SOBELL had told him that PEFIL v/as 
attending Columbia University sometime subsequent to the 
occasion V7hcn PERL, ROSENBERG, BARR, the SOBELLs and the 
ELITGHERs had dinner at the Blue Mill Restaurant in 
Greenv?ich Village around Christmas, 19 ^ 6 . 

Previous investigation has reflected that PERL 
studied for his Doctorate at Columbia University from 
1946 to 19^8 and that while there he, worked as an 
Assistant to Professor THEODOFlEj/von>KARMEN . 

The above information appears to reflect that 
SOBELL and PERL had been in some degree of association 
during this period inasmuch as SOBELL knov; details of 
PERL's activities and wOiild appear to contradict PERL's 
previous statements concerning his association or lack 
thereof with MORTON SOBELL. 


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ii.adi)I';.'Ioi:al iiA'-crmatic:: re asaoctation 

OP PERL AHD I'lORTOig ciOBELL 


V/ith further reference to the alleced association 
between PERL and MORTOIJ SOBELL, v;hich the former has denied, 
attention Is again directed to the letter, mentioned above, 
vjhich was forvjarded by PERL to his mother under date of 
Februar’y 4, 1940. This letter contains the sentence, 

"My friend came down from V/ashington (The boy vjho ovms the _ 
drug store — Sobell) looking for a nev; job." 

Mrs. SARAH yi'jUTTERPERL, subject's mother, advised that 
she does not know 'the identity of the person referred to as 
"Sobell" in the above letter, and does not remember if she 
knew him at the time of receipt of the letter ten years ago. 
She again explained that she docs not read or wrlLe English 
v;ell and that all her correspondence Is handled through 
members of her family. She said that "U^illle" has al\7ays 
x^rltten to her personally because "ho is a good boy" and 
she has the correspondence read to her by someone else. 

Mrs. ANl'IE BLUI'l, subject's sister, who vjith her 
husband, JOSEPH P. BLUI^, made the above letter available to 
this office, has been questioned concerning the identity of 
"Sobell" in the above letter and she stated she did not knovj 
him. She recalled at the time of the newspaper publicity 
concerning SOBELL and at the time she and her husband were 
interviewed by Bureau Agents (July 26, 1950) she discussed 
SOBELL with her husband and her mother, Mrs. SARAH MUTTERPERL, 
but neither of them remembered him. She again stated that 
most of V/I LLIE * s correspondence to the family in Nev/ York is 
addressed to his mother, although she cannot read it. She 
said these letters are always read te her by someone else, 
and are concerned with various members of the family as 
v/ell as Mrs, MUTTERPERL. 


It should be noted with reference to the words 
"drug store" that the records of Confidential Informant T-1, 
of knov/n reliability, reflect MORTOij SOBELL 's father, LOUIS 
ISOBELL, received a B.S. degree in Civil Engineering from” 
the Cooper Union Institute, New York City, in 1915^ and a 
Ph. G degree from Columbia University in 1923. From I 923 
to 1926 , LOUIS SOBELL v/as employed as a Registered Drug Clerk 


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at the Elder Drug Company, 1519 VJestchestor Avenue, Bronx, 
Nev; York, and from May, 1926, to August, 19^0, he operated 
his ovm business at 555 Westchester Avenue, Nev; York City. 
Confidential Informant T-1 advised this business v;as a 
drug store v;hich LOUIS SOBELL lost to his creditors in 
October, 19^^0. The stock of the store >v/as purchased from 
ci'editors in November, 19^1 > by one, A.VdUBINBAUM, 2160 
Holland Avenue, Bronx, Nev; York. ^ 



From the above it is evident that at the time PERL 
v;rote to his mother in February, 19^0^ referred to his 
friend "(the bo.v v;ho ov;ns the drug store--Sobell) ", MORTON 
SOBELL’ s father did in fact own a drug store in the Bronx. 


A handv;rltlng examination by the FBI Laboratory 
reveals that the handv;rlting on PERL’s letter dated February 
4, 1940, was in fact written by WILLIAM PERL. 


Further, according to the records of Confidential 
Informant T-1, LOUIS SOBELL and his family resided at 646 
St. Ann’s Avenue, Bronx, from June, 1931 ^ to August, 1940, 
at which time LOUIS SOBELL moved to Philadelphia, Pa., to 
take up employment at the Philadelphia Navy Yard as an 
Engineering Draftsman. 



It is noted that the address 555 Westchester Avenue 
is located at the intersection of V.’cstchester Avenue and 
St. Ann's Avenue, Bronx, and the address 646 St. Ann's 
Avenue is located approximately 1/2 block north of this 
intersection . 


Considering the location of the SOBELL drug store 
at 555 Westchester Avenue, Bronx, Nev; York, with respect to 
PERL's residence in 1930 and 1939 at 834 Beck Street, 

Bronx, reference to a street map of the Bronx reflects that 
PERL's residence v;as located ten to fifteen blocks north 
and east of the drug store and can hardly be considered In 
the same immediate vicinity. Likevjise, PERL's later address 
at 936 Tiffany Street, Bronx, is still farther north by 
three or four blocks than the Becic Street residence. 


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The follov/inG investlcatlon ;jas conducted to determine 
if HORTON S03ELL worked for hie father at the above drug 
store; 


The records of the Naval Records Hana;jenicr*t Cciiter, 
Mechanicsbu.rg, Penna., reflect that HORTON SOBELL submitted 
the follov;ing background in connection with his Navy 
employment in 1939 to 19^1- He v;as born April 11, 1917^ 
at Nevj York City, attended City College of New York from 
193 ^ to 1938 when he received a Bachelor of Electrical 
Englhcerlng degree. Under Previous Employments, he listed 
the follovjing: 

Summers, 193^^ to 1937 - Wingdale Corp., Wingdale, Nev; York, 
as a maintenance man. 

July, 1938 , to September, 1938 - Same. 

November, 1938, to December, 1938 ~ Davega City Radio, 

Port of Authority Building, Nev; York City, as a 
maintenance man. 

January, 1939 j to October 1, 1941 - Bureau of Ordinance, 
Navy Department, V/ashington, D.C., as a Junior 
Electrical Engincei- and as an Assistant Electrical 
Engineer . 

October, 1941 - Resigned emplojmtent at Navy Department to 
obtain Masters Degree at University of Michigan. 

According to the above record, SOBELL listed as 
references, among others, V/ILLIAH i’lUTTERPERL, Electrical 
Engineer, 197 Melrose Avenue, HampLon, Virginia, and 
MAX ELITCMER, Electrical Engineer, 2225 N. Stx'ect, N.N., 
V/ashlngton, D.C. 

MAX ELITCHER has stated he recalls while in College 
(I 934 -I 93 S) MORTON SOBELL 'c father either worked In or ov;ned 
a drug store in the Bronx. Ho \;as never in the drug store 
himself and does not knov; its location; hov;c/cr, v/hen he 
and SOBELL were in VJashlngton, he recalls SOBELL mentioning 
his father’s drug store and vaguely recalls conversations 
which Indicated that SOBELL had frequented the place but 
SOBELL never mentioned he had vjorkod there. 


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ELITCHER recalls definitely that SOBELL worked as a 
maintenance nan at Camp Winedale during at least one whole 
summer and possibly more during their school years. It is 
noted that Camp ’yingdale v;as operated by SORELL's maternal 
uncle, LOUIS’" PASTERh’AK; hov/ever, subsequent to graduation, 
ELITCHER v^as quite sure SOBELL had not returned to Camp 
VJingdale and had not worked for his father In the drug store 
since he v;as then employed by the Bureau of Ordinance, 

Navy Department in VJashington. 

r-jr. HUSS, owner of the building at 645 St. Ann's 
Avenue, Bronx, since 1932 and SOBELL' s former landlord, 
advised that the SOBELLs lived in the building for several 
years prior to 1940 and that he recalled LOUIS SOBELL owned 
the drug store at VJestchester Avenue and St. Ann's Avenue 
during this period. He recalled MORTON SOBELL ver^' viell 
during the latter's high school and college days and 
stated that vdiile he frequented LOUIS SOBELL 's drug store 
several times per v;eek during this period he does not recall 
MORTON being employed there. He recalled seeing MORTON 
SOBELL in his father's drug store on several occasions 
but stated he was not vjorking there, but merely had stopped 
in to see his father. He recalled further that MORTON, 
as well as other members of the SOBELL family, used to go 
to some Communist summer camp in upstate New York and that 
MORTON SOBELL worked there several summers. 

Mr. NOAH RICHMOND, 3135 Godwin Terrace, Bronx, Hew 
York, currently employed by the Commerce Drug Company, 

505 Court Street, Brooklyn, No\j York, advised he formerly 
was oinj^loyed as a drug salesman by Norv;ich Drug Company and 
in such capacity made business calls to LOUIS SOBELL 's 
drug store during the 1930 's once or tv/icc per month. He 
recalled LOUIS SOBELL kept copies of the "Daily i/orker", an 
east coast Communist nev.'spaper. In the store. He said he 
vjas sure MORTON SOBELL did not vjork for his father in this 
business, but that the latter had several other Individuals 
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V/ith further reference to SODELL's listin' of V/ILLIAM 
MUTTERPERL, 197 Melrose Avenue, Hampton, Vlrclnia, as a 
reference at the above employment, attention is directed to 
the correspondence from PERL to his family in Nev; York City 
vihioh v;as made available to this office by the BLUMs. It 
is tJ'iorcin noted that on November 1, 1939/ PERL addressed 
a- letter to "Dear Ann and Joe "/'(BLUM) v;hich reflects a 
return address for PERL as 197 Melrose Avenue, Hampton, 
Vircinia. A postscript to this letter reads, "PSS - Mote 
my nev; address. I’ve moved again." Thereafter, PERL 
directed correspondence to the BLUMs on Ilovembor 27, 1939/ 
December 10, 1939> July 1, 19^^0/ March I 6 , 19^H/ shovdng the 
Melrose Avenue return address. Several additional pieces 
of correspondence vjcre received bearing no return address 
until February 1, 19^^2, v;hen the return address v;aG 1258 
Ferguson Avenue, Nev/port News, Virginia. 

Prom the above, It is apparent PERL vjas residing at 
197 Melrose Avenue, Hampton, Virginia, during at least a 
portion of the time SOBELL v:a3 employed by the Bureau of 
Ordinance, Navy Department, Washington, D.C., from 
January, 1939» to October, 19^1 > and that DOBELL VJas avjare 
of his correct address. 

Attention is directed in this connection to informa- 
tion previously reported as received from MAX ELITCHER that , 
DOBELL and PERL v;ere in contact during this period and that 
DOBELL had visited PERL in Virginia and described PERL's 
residence there as in a private home located in the suburbs; 
llkev/isc, that PERL visited DOBELL and ELITCHJrbR in Washington 
botxveen April, 1939/ and April, 1940. 

The above correspondence of PERL as received from 
the BLUt'Is also contains a letter dated October Z> .1941, 
from PERL to "Dear Anne, Joe, Eleanor, and Bobby " Blum) . 

This letter reads in pare as follov/s: 

"A friend of mine just quit tils $2600 a year job 
to go bade to school and study radio. Not a bad idea in 
the long run." 

MAX ELITCHER advised that MOxRTON DOBELL resigned his 
position at the Bureau of Ordinance, Navy Department, in 
Deptenber, 1941, in order to attend the University of 
Michigan to study electronics. DOBELL v;as earning $2600 
per year at the time ho resigned, according to ELITCHER. 





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Miss MAYI'-'E SV/ISHER^ Receptionist, Alumni Catalogue 
Office, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, advised 
SA ROBERT L. MAYFIELD of the Detroit office that according 
to her records MORTON SODELL entered the University in 
September, 19^1, and attended until May, 19^2, when he 
received the degree of Master of Science in Electrical 



Likewise, the personnel file of MORTON SOBELL, as 
maintained by Mr.R. E. RUGEN, Supervisor of Eiwploymont, 
Schenectady Works, General Electric Company, Schenectady, 

New York, reflects that SOBELL submitted information that 
from January, 1939, to September, 19^1, he vjorI:ed for the 
Navy Department, Bui’cau of Ordinance, at an annual salary 
of $2600. He left this employment to attend the University 
of Michigan. SOBELL worked for General Electric from 
June 15, 19^2, to June 13, 19^7, according to his file. 

Mr. E. A. HILBERT, Director of Personnel, 

Aeronautics and Ordinance Systems Division, Building 28, 

Room 411, General Electric Company, advised that his file 
on HORTON SOBELL contained, among other things, an undated 
U.S. Navy form, v;hich had been completed by SOBELL in 
connection v;lth his request for certification and credentials 
to \;ork on U.S. Navy contracts. This form lists as references: 


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1 . UILI.JAr-V.DANZIGER, 2270 Belmont Avenue, Lons Beach 4 , 
California, an electrical enslneer, kiiovm to SOBELL 
for tvjelve years. 

2 . MAX ELITCHER, 247 Delaware Avenue, S.V.',, VJashlngton 
4 , D.C., an electrical engineer, knovm to SOBELL for 
eleven yearc . 

3. VJILLIAH fWTTERPERL, I6808 Madison Avenue, Cleveland, 

Ohio, an aero engineer, known to SOBELL for the pact 
eight years. 

Ac to the probable date of completion of the above 
undated form, Mr. ALBERT M.^DEMONT, Administrative 
Assistant to the Manager, Aeronautics and Ordinance Systems 
Division, General Electric Company, advised from his records 
that SOBELL received a Certificate of Identification and 
necessary clearance from the U.S. Navy to work on Mavy 
contracts and for access to Naval facilities on June 24 , 

1944, and from his records it could be assumed that SOBELL 
prepared this form sometime in May, 1944 . 

Further, concerning this date, PERL's P.S.Q. form 
completed IJovciibor I8, 1949 / in connection v;lth his employ- 
ment by the N.A.C.A. reflects under Previous Addresses that 
he resided during 1944 only at 16808 Madison Avenue, ^ . 

Cleveland, Ohio, the address submitted by SOBELL. N 

Prom the above, it is apparent that In 1944 SOBELL 
knew PERL's correct address in Cleveland, Ohio, although 
PERL has denied any association with him at that time. On 
August 18, 1950, PERL vjas questioned concerning the 
appearance of his name on the above form submitted by SOBELL 
in 1944 to vjhlch he vjould anov;er only "This is nevjs — I 
don't knovj." 


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III. INTERVIEV' OF RUTH ALGCHEH 

As stated above by !^AX and IlELKTF ELITCHER, Mrs. 
RTTTH ALSCHRR, the sister-in-law of MAX FLITCHER, was present 
with ROSEJ^BERG, PERL and others at dinner at the Bird-in- 
Hand Restaurant, New York City, in Septercbor 19yi» 

Mrs. RITH ALSCflER, 1/44-5 Madison Avenue, Nev; York 
City, 'was contacted on January 10, 195-1 by SA VINCENT J, 
CAHILL, v?ho attempted to arrange a suitable appointment for 
an interviev;, Mrs. ALSCPIER stated that her husband MORRIS 
ALSCKER recently died and that r.he is ,iust recovering from 
the blow; that she has three young children to care for in 
addition to going to business to support thcjm, and that she 
was completoiy occupied now and had absoliitely no intention 
of becoming involved in anything. She refused to be inter- 
viex>red by the FBI and vzanted to bo left alone to bring up 
her family. She stated she never kiicx-; anyone named JULIUS 
ROSENBERG and refused to make any appointment for further 
interview. 


On January 31, 195l» RUTH ALSCHER appeared under 
subpoena for Grand Jury in the office of Chief Aissistant 
United States Attorney Myles J, Lane, Southern District of 
New York. At his request, a further attempt was made to 
interviex-j Mrs. ALSCHER prior to her appearance before the 
Grand Jury, On this date she advised SA CAHILL that she 
unable to recall ever having been present at the Bird- 
in-Hand Restaurant, Nevr York City, with her brothor-in-law, 
MAX ELITCHER, and others. She further denied acqxisintanco 
with WILLIAM PERL, JUT.IUS ROSENDERG, and the other indivi- 
duals mentioned in this case with the oxceution of MORTON 
SOBPILL, whom she stated she recalled mooting nine or Ipen 
years ago at somebody’s apartment in the Bronx, She could 
recall no details of her original acquaintance with SO BELL, 
whom she stated she had not seon since that time, 

Mrs, ALSCHER appeared before the Podc-ral Grand 
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IV. INFORi^ATION RE "SHIP IIICIDEMT*’ - VIVIAN-^GLASSMAN 

It is recalled that during the interviev/ of VIVIAN 
GLASSr-L^N, August 3, 1950, by agents of the Nev; York office, 
previously reported in this investigation, she advised 
concerning her receipt of Instructions from a "stranger" 
to make a trip to Cleveland, Ohio, to visit her friend, an 
’ aercnautical engineer v;ho v/as interested in her sister. 

She stated she had assumed "the stranger" v?as referring to 
her sister, ELEANOR, v;ho was very fo.nd of WILLIAM PERL 
since PERL was the only aeronautical engineer in Cleveland 
with whom she was acquainted. While giving these 
instructions, "the stranger" asked her if srie knev/ 

"John" and when she replied in the negative ho made a 
reference to JOEL BAvRR who was her foi-mer fiance. By 
way of identifying himself to her, "the stranger" said 
that at one time he was going to help BARR go to Europe. 

It is further noted that during an Intervlev/ wlt)’> the 
subject, WILLIAM PERL, by agents of the Cleveland office 
on July 26 , 1950 , PERL stated that v;hen VIVIAN GLASSMAN 
visited him in his apartment on Sunday, July 23, 1950, 
she transmitted the above instructions to him by vjritlng 
on a pad of paper. At the time, according to PERL, she 
vjrotc something about a ship incident concerning herself 
and JOEL BARR. PERL advised her reference to the ship 
incident as x;ell as much else she wrote had no particular 
meaning for him. 

With further reference to the ship incident, 

VIVIAN GLASSWiN during the above mentioned Intcrvicv.' also 
stated she could not recall writing any instructions to 
PERL in Cleveland concerning a ship incident and 
explained that the only matter of this nature she could 
recall concerning her forimor finance, JOEL BARR, and 
herself v;as that v/hen BARR was planning to go to Prance 
to study in 19^7. she also planned to go to France for 
that purpose. She had reservations on one steamship and 
BARR had reservations on another. V/hen BARR learned that 
CLASSMAN was going to France, he changed his reservation 
to the ship on which she had her reservation. CLASSMAN 
said she thought BARR was going to marry her, but that 
ho had not done so by sailing time, January 21, 19^i-8, 
so she cancelled her reservation and they had personal 
differences. VIVIAN GLASSMN said she had not corresponded 


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v;lth BARR since lie vi»ent to Europe and she docs not know 
his present whereabouts or activities. 

Attention Is also directed to infornatlon received 
from V/ILLIAri PERL on September 12, 1950^ during ci-n 
interview v;lth SA. RICHARD T. HHADSKY and the reporting 
agent to the effect that he accompanied JOEL BAflR and 
•BARR'S mother and sister to the Hudson River pier on 
January 21, 19^8, and that they watched JOEL BARR embark 
and sail from Nevj York destined to Paris, Franco. PEPiL 
said the group did not board the SS "AMERICA" but remained 
on the dock and that he did not see VIVIAH GLASSMAH there 
that day and did not know if she came to see BARR sail . 

PERL stated BARR said he was going to Paris to continue his 
studies in engineering and that he knows of no other reason 
for BARR'S going to France. PERL did not know if BARR 
had ever given VIVIAN GLASSMAN an engagement ring or vjhy 
BARR and GLASSMi^K had broken their relations, nor did he 
know if VIVIAN GLASSM/^N intended to join BARR in Paris, 
or sail v/ith him In 19^8. 

It is noted that BARR’s last knovm address vias in 
Paris, France, and that his present v^hcreabouts is unknovm. 

JOSEPH MEAGHER, Accounting Department, U.S. 

Lines, 1 Broadway, Nev/ York City, advised SA VJALTER C. 
ROETTING from his records that VIVIAN GLASSMAN made a 
reservation on January 5> 19^8 through a local travel 
agent to sail on the SS "AMERICA" leaving Nev; York 
January 21, 19^8, with tourist accommodation E-19> Bed 4. 
There v;ao also an open return booking for her on the 
SS "AMERICA" sailing June 11, 1948, from Cherbourg, France. 
Hov;ever, the records reflected a refund for the above 
reservation v/as issued to VIVIAN GLASSMAN by the U. S. 

Lines on March 5> 1948. 

An examination of the list of tourist class 
passengers sailing on the above ship on January 21, 1948, 
reflected the names of both GLASSMAN and JOEL BARR; hov.’evcr, 
the Birthing List revealed that VIVIAN GLASSM/Jn' did not 
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that JOEL BARR, 241 West 97th Street, New York City, actually 
sailed on that date. A notation on the list reflects that 
JOEL BARR was originally scheduled to sail on the £S 
"ERNIE PYLE" on January 8, 1948, which reservation v/as 
later cancelled and the money applied to BARR’S booking on 
the SS "AMERICA". 


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V. I13TERVIEVJ OF ELEANOR GLASSMN 

On October 25, 1950, ELEANOrTGLASSI-LlN, 3^3 East 8th 
Street, Nov; York City, sister of VIVIAN CLASSMAN, advised 
SAS RICH/iRD T. HRADSKY and ROBERT F. ROYAL that she was 
e; ployed as a social service v/orker at the Doth Israel 
Hospital, 17 th Street and Stuyvosant Park, Nevj York City. 

■'She stated that her sister, VIVIA?J, had inforned her sometirac 
in August, 1950 , that she had been called to testify before 
a Federal Grand Jury concerning sor.io people vjhor.'i she knev; 
but that VIVIAN v;ould not tell her vjho she had been called 
to testify about or why the FBI had questioned her. ELEANOR 
stated that VIVIAN vjas emotionally disturbed that she had 
been interrosated by the FBI but that VIVIAi- had stated that 
she did not v.'ish to discuss the matter V'.'lth anyone so she 
did not press VIVIAN to confide in her. Hovjc/er, In the 
latter part of Au;jUGt, 1950, ELEANOPi received 
a letter from WILLIAM PERL Informing her that he vias planning 
to move to Nevj York City from Cleveland, Ohio, early In 
September and that he v;ould contact her upon arriving in 
IIcv; York City. 

ELEANOR GLASSI'I/vN received no telephone call from 
PERL as of about the 15 th of September, 1950, however, and 
decided to call PERL's home in the Bronx to inquire if he 
v;as then In New York City. She obtained PERL's mother's 
telephone number from the Bronx, New York, Telephone 
Directory and called her to ascertain If PERL had arrived 
in Nev; York City. PERL v;as not at home and ELEANOR left her 
name v;lth a request that PERL call her. 

ELEANOR GLASSI'klK stated that PERL tclepiioned her 
the next day and mentioned that he vjas bein.'j Invecti^'^ated 
by the FBI and she told him that she had not yet been 
Intervlevjcd . He told her to expect a visit froai the FBI 
because of her acquaintance v;lth him. 

ELEANOR GLASSMTvN denied that she was Given any 
details of the nature of the invostlGation of PERL or that 
he had Instructed her to deny any knov.'ledj-.e of his 
activities. She stated that she received a telephone call 
a day or so later at her home from a Mr. RAYMOND *171 SE, 
v;ho Identified himself as PERL's attorney, who asked 


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her if she had any information concerning the trip that 
VIVIAN took to Cleveland in July, 1950> to visit PERL. She 
advised VJISE that she did not know VIVIAN had been to see 
PERL and V/ISE invited her to come to his office that day 
as PERL would be there and they could discuss the matter. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN appeared at V/ISE's offivce and met 
RERL, at v;hlch time V/ISE related the event of VIVIAN'S 
mission to PERL. ELEANOR said she v;as unable to offer any 
information concerning VIVIAN'S trip to vnSE, but that she 
subsequently conferred with VIVIAN and VIVIAN aclcnowledged 
that she had made the trip at the request of a man v;hom she 
did not know and, therefore, could not identify, but that 
she declined to discuss the relationship of her Cleveland 
trip to the FBI Investigation. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN stated that she received one 
telephone call of a social nature from PERL thereafter and 
had a date vjith PERL the latter part of September or early 
in October, 1950, at which time PERL told her that he was 
keeping company v;ith a girl in New York City v/hom he had 
formerly been acquainted v/ith, and that he planned to 
marry her. She has not seen PERL since he told her about 
this girl wixDi he did not identify to ELEANOR.. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN did not recall PERL discussing 
the FBI check on his loyalty as a Government employee during 
his visit to her apartment in April, 1950, and denied that 
he had told her v/hat answers to give to questions concerning 
him if she should be interrogated about his activities, 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN advised that she met WILLIAM 
PERL as a casual acquaintance during Christmas \ieek, 19^^9, 
in a bar and restaurant near Charles Street in Greenwich 
Village, Nev/ York City. She stated she vvas with several 
girl friends and PERL was sitting at the bar next to her 
and they began conversing. V/hon PERL learned her name v;ao 
CLASSMAN he told her he once Imew a VIVIAN CLASSMAN and 
ELEANOR advised that VIVIAN was her sister. PERL took her 
home that evening to 3^3 East 8th Street, NevJ Yorlc City, 
and ELEANOR did not see him again until Easter vjeek, 

April, 1950 . She was certain she had not seen him betvieen 
Christmas, 19^9, and April, 1950, and that she had not 


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received a telephone call from PERL in January or February^ 
1950 . She recalled receiving several letters from PERL 
between January and April, 1950, and stated that she had 
written to him inviting him to Nev/ York City during Easter 
week as she was vacationing that v;eelc. 

PERL arrived In New York City and telephoned her 
at her hone during the evening hours and ELEANOR CLASSMAN 
met him near Pennsylvania Railroad Station. They v;ent to 
a nearby restaurant for a short time and then went to the 
Stabler Hotel, where PERL registered for a room. She and 
PERL then \-;alked to the Pennsylvania Railroad Station v/here 
PERL obtained his suitcase and they returned to the 
Stabler Hotel to place PERL’s suitcase in his room. While 
they were in the room the hotel desk called to inform PERL 
that he could not entertain ELEANOR in his room and they then 
went to her apartment. 

PERL checked out of the Stabler Hotel the follov/ing 
day and stayed at ELEANOR’S apartment at 3^3 East 8th Street, 
Nevj York City, for the rest of the v;eek. He then returned 
to Cleveland, Ohio, and ELEANOR GLASSl^N did not see him 
again until she met him at his attorney’s office in 
September, 1950. 

ELEANOR'^iLASSMAN Stated that PERL met her sisters, 
VIVIAN and GLADYS^" at her apartment but she did not recall 
PERL discussing an FBI investigation of his loyalty as a 
Government employee with them. 

ELEANOR GLASSMAN stated that the correspondence 
from PERL had been destroyed and that the only recollection , 
she has of any plans or Intentions of PERL mentioned in 
the letters v;as that he vras going to tiie State of V/ashington 
on business for his employer. She did not knov; if PERL 
had ever made this trip to V/ashlngton State. 

Concerning JULIUS and ETHEL^ ROSENBERG, ELEANOR 
GLASSMAN Stated that the ROSENBERGs v;ere not friends of 
hors but that she vras not certain that she had or had not 
ever met them and could not say definitely that she had 
or had not, as she had casually met some friends of 
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in the same social circles but occasionally meet each others 
friends and that she may have possibly met tlic ROSENBERGs 
but could not recall bavins done so. She could not recall 
havlns ever visited anyone at 10 Monroe Street, New York 
City, the residence of the R0SEI\T3ERGs, or that the 
ROSENBERGs were ever in the apartment at 343 East 8th 
Street, New York City. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN stated she had visited VIVIAN 
GLASSMAN at 13I East 7th Street, New York City, on numerous 
occasions but does not recall roeetlnc; anyone there. V/hen 
shown a (irouo of photo'sraphs of individuals known to have / 
been associated with VIVIAN GLASSMAN to determine if ^ 

ELEANOR had ever met any of them, v;hich c^oup Included 
photocraplos of JULIUS and ETHEL ROSEIIBEHG and DAVID 
OREENGLASS , admitted Soviet agent, and his wife, RUTH ^ 
^GREENGL^S, EIEANOR advised that JOEL BARR, ALFRED SARANT, 
ERNEST^fATAKI and WILLIAM PERL were the only persons she 
had ever met and that she did not recognize any of the 
others . 


ELEANOR GLASSMAN advised that she v;as acquainted 
vjlth ALFRED SARANT but has not seen him since about 1943* 

She met him in 1942 or 19^3 at 320 Ocean Avenue, Long 
Branch, Nev; Jersey, where she v;as residing v;lth several 
other girls and her sister, VIVIAN. She and VIVIAN were 
then employed by the United States Army Signal Corps at 
Port Monmouth, Nev; Jersey, as Junior Inspectors of Signal 
Corps procured equipment. SARANT was a friend of one of the 
girls named ALICITKATZ and ELEANOR GLASSMAN met him during 
one of his visits. ELEANOR did not knov; whore SAR/\NT 
v;as employed but believed that he was an engineer. ELEANOR 
GLASSMAN stated she resigned at Port Monmouth in December, 
1943> and has not seen SARANT since leaving the Signal 
Corps . 

ELEANOR GLASSMAN advised that she was a member 
of the United Public Workers of America while she was 
employed at Fort Monmouth, Nevj Jersey, but that she held 
no office in the union. She could not remember if her 
sister, VIVIAN, v;as an officer of the UPWA. She is now a 
member* of the Social Service Employees' Union, Local I9, 
and has been employed at the Beth Israel Hospital since 
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ELEANOR CLASSMAN professed no knowledge of VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN 's relationship to ALFRED SARANT and did not recall 
that VIVIAN ever ovmed a typewriter and did not knov; if 
VIVIAN had ever done any typing work for SAR/iNT. 

Concerning JOEL BARR, ELEANOR CLASSMAN advised that 
she met BARR through VIVIAN, probably sometime in 19^4. She 
•stated that he was knovm to her to be an electrical engineer 
but she knows nothing about his activities. She stated she 
did not knovj where VIVIAN met BARR or v;hen, but recalled 
that VIVIAN V7as keeping company v;ith BARR in about 1944 . 

She stated she did not recall meeting BARR at 320 Ocean 
Avenue, Long Branch, New Jersey, and did not knot'/ v/here 
BARR v/as employed. She placed the time of the disagreement 
between JOEL BARR and VIVIAN CLASSMAN, the reason for 
v/hich was unknown to her, as about 1946 and stated she 
believed that after about a year’s separation BARR and 
VIVIAN reconciled their differences and sav; each other 
occasionally. She stated VIVIAN informed her that BARR 
sailed to Paris, Prance, to attend school there about two 
years ago and she did not knov: if VIVIAN had had any 
correspondence with him since he left. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN stated she did not see BARR sail 
from Nevj York and that she had never been in BARR's apart- 
ment at 65 Morton Street, New York City. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN professed to knov/ nothing about ' 
ERNEST PATAKI other than that he v/as VIVIAN'S current 
boy friend and v/as an electrical engineer. She stated she 
v/as not at present a Communist Party member and had never 
belonged to the Communist Party. She claimed not to know 
If VIVIAN v/as or Is a Communist Party men.bcr. 


^ The Administrative files of the United States Array 

Signal Corps Installation in Monmouth County, New Jersey, 
reflect that ELEANOR CLASSMAN resided at 219 East 7th 
Street, New York City, from April, 193?> to September, 

1940, at v/hlch time she moved to 343 East 8th Street, 

New York City. She v/as employed by the United States 

Army Signal Corps at Camp Coles, Mon/nouth County, New Jersey, 

as a Junior Professional Assistant, and at Fort Monmouth, 

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this employment she resided at 4? Madison Avenue, Long 
Branch, Nev; Jersey, and at 48 North Broadv;ay, Long Branch, 

Nev; Jersey, She was born April 30 , 1921, in Nevj York City 
of Russian extraction, daughter of SAMUEL GLASSMAN, deceased, 
and SADIE^OROVJITZ . She listed her sisters as GLADYS and 
VIVIAN GLASSMAN and HORIEKSET^KOLKICK, housewife. She 
was formerly employed at the Spencer Secretarial School, 

Nev; York City; by A. Finkelberg and Sons, Third Avenue 
and 124th Street, Nev; York City, as a typist; and at 
Brooklyn College, Brooklyn, Nev; York, as a clerk in the 
Registrar’s Office. She attended Hunter College, Nev; York 
City, from 1936 to 1940, B.A. degree, and did graduate work 
at Broolclyn College and Columbia University, New York Cl tv. . 




Confidential Informant T^3 , of known reliability, 

advised on October 12, 194 3 , that ELEANOR GLASSMAN was a 
member of the Negotiating Committee and the Program Committee 
of the Monmouth County Cliapter of the United Federal 
Workers of America. 


Confidential Informant T-4 , of kno\;n reliability, 

advised that ELEANOR GLASSM/vN v/as present at an Executive 
Board meeting of the United Federal Workers of America, 
held at 320 Ocean Avenue, Long Branch, Nev; Jersey, at 
v;hlch unadvilterated Marxist principles were discussed with 
approval. At this meeting, according to the informant, the 
group decided that there should be complete Government 
ov;ncrship of property and machinery and that the United States 
Govertimovt should bo organized into one great Bureaucracy 
under control of a president and a group of subordinate 
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VI. INTERVIEW OF MILTON ‘'GLASSMAN 

MILTON CLASSMAN, IO8 Seventh Avenue South, Nev; York 
City, brother of VIVIAN and ELEANOR GLASSM/vN, advised SAS 
RICHi'.RD T. HRADSKY and ROBERT P. ROYAL upon Interview 
that VIVIAN CLASSMAN had not inforncd hln of the reason for 
FBI investlcatlon of her. He stated she advised him 
sometime in August, 1950 , that she was very upset over a 
recent FBI interrogation and because she had received a 
summons to appear before a Federal Grand Jury, as a witness, 
as she v;as acquainted v.'lth someone that the FBI v;as 
interested in. He stated that s)ie refused to explain 
the nature of her distress to him when he asked. She stated 
he did not Icnow the people she knev; and that if she informed 
him he migiit have to ansvjer FBI questions. 

rilLTON CLASSMAN advised that he and VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN have individual apartments as he lives at his 
business address, Allied Industrial Studio, IO8 Seventh 
Avenue South, New York City, and VIVIAN CLASSMAN lives at 
131 East 7 th Street, Nev; York City, and that his sisters, 
ELEANOR and GLADYS CLASSMAN, reside together at 3^3 
East 8 th Street, Nevj York City, and that v/hile they visit 
each other they do not have the same circle of friends. 

He claimed that the identities of VIVIAN’S friends v;erc 
unlaiown to him but recalled meeting JOEL BARR, her former 
fiance, and knov;s ERNEST PATAKI, He stated that JOEL BARR 
v;as an electrical engineer but that he knevj nothing else 
about him other than that he v;as an arrogant individual 
and that he exercised considerable influence over VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN and used to order her to do things for him. He 
explained that he heard BARR, vjhllc visiting VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN at 3^3 East 8 th Street, New York City, direct her 
to go to the store for him and to run out for cigarettes 
vjhlle BARR lounged in a chair and that he took an intense 
dislike to BARR. 

MILTON CLASSMAN Stated that VIVIAN and JOEL 
BARR eventually broke off relations with each other and 
VIVIAN had told him BARR had sailed for France sometime 
in 19^8 for further study in his pi'ofcosion of electrical 
engineering. 


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MILTON GLASSMAN did not know where VIVIAl'I GLASSMN 
met JOEL BARR but believes she vjas goins with BARR in 19^5- 
19^6. He did not know vjhere BARR resided and had never 
been to BARR's apartment at 65 Morton Street, Nev; York Citj’’. 

V/hen shown a of photographs of individuals 

known to be acquainted with VIVIAN GLASSMAN to determine 
if MILTON GLASSMN recognized any of them as persons that 
he had met, MILTON advised that the photograph of JOEL 
BARR v;as the only one that he could Identify and that he 
did not believe he had ever seen any of the others. 

MILTON GLASSI'liN advised that he v;as never a member 
of the Communist Party although he had read some Marxist 
theory and that he did not believe in Communism. He stated 
he did not knov/ if VIVIAN GLASSMAN v;as a Communist Party 
member, but that it v;ould not surprise him if she was as she 
has a library full of Marxist books. 

MILTON GLASSMAN advised that he had never met 
JULIUS or ETHEL ROSENBERG and that VIVIAN GLASSMAN had never 
mentioned that she was acquainted v/ith them. 


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V II. IMTERVIEVJ VJITH SAMUEL* PERL 

Previous investigation in this case has revealed that 
the subject's brother, SAMUEL PERL, is now residing in 
France where he is studying music . 

Confidential Informant T - 5 of known reliability, 
has advised that SAMUEL PERL told him of the receipt of 
a letter from his brother, VJILLIAM PERL, on April 26 , 

1950, in which it was indicated that during an Atomic 
Energy Act investigation by the FBI allegations v.’crc made 
that ho, WILLIAM PERL, had associated with Communists, 
including JOEL BARR and ALFRED SARAMT. At that time, 

WILLIAM PERL v^as employed by the National Advisory 
Committee for Aeronautics in Cleveland, Ohio, V/ILLIAM PERL 
requested SAMUEL PERL to interviev; JOEL BARR regarding 
this matter and especially to determine the vjhercabouts of 
SARANT. SAMUEL PERL stated that the allegations against 
his brother came as a complete surprise to him and that 
he had never received any information that his brother 
or any of his associates were Conmunistically inclined. 

SAMUEL PERL later interviewed BARR when they met in a 
student's restaurant and BARR denied that he had ever been 
a Communist but did admit he had been discharged from 
a Civil Service Job in the Federal Government duo to a 
false accusation on the part of the Government that he was 
a Communist. BARR told SAMUEL PERL that in his opinion hc^ 
got a rav; deal. 

BARR also told SAMUEL PERL that ho loft the 
United States because he could not get a Job in private 
industry or in Government Service after being black- 
listed as a Communist. 

SArWEL PERL stated that ho last saw JOEL BARR 
In the Students Cite Club located on the corner of 
Boulevard Maleshorbes and Boulevard Courcelles on or 
about June, 1950 * At that time, BARR advised PERL that 
he xos leaving Paris and talked about v;anting to sell his 
motorbike. PERL expressed an interest in buying the 
bike, but BARR discouraged him saying that he did not v;ant 
to sell It to a friend since it was not in good mechanical 
condition and would cause too much trouble to keep in 
running order. 


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SAMUEL PERL asked BARR where he v;as coin;;^ and 
the latter replied to the effect that it vjould be better 
if PERL did not knov; his intended destination. PERL stated 
that since BARR left Paris some of the music students who 
knew him have asked PERL If he knew BARR'S whereabouts 
and have advised PERL that they have not received any 
word from him. SAMUEL PERL is of the opinion that PERL 
'may have to Sweden inasmuch as he spoke Swedish fairly 

vjcll and liked the country. PERL stated that he does not 
believed BARR v;ould have returned to Finland because he 
told PERL ho did not like that country. 

Concerninri his former association v;ith JOEL BARR, 
SAMUEL PERL advised that he met PERL through his brother, 
VJILLIAM PERL, in New York City in Nev/ York City about 
1939 . This was at a music recital in a private residence 
in New York City and WILLIAM PERL v/as present. SAMUEL 
PERL could not recall exactly v;here this recital had 
taken place but believed that it may have been in BARR'S 
apartment. According to SAMUEL PERL, JOEL BARR and 
V/ILLIAM PERL ^■^erc friends, both having gone to City College 
of Nev; York at the same time and later having done 
graduate v;ork at Columbia University. Both v;ere 
Electrical Engineers. 

Prior to coming to Europe In September, 19^9, 
and knov;lng that BARR was in Paris, SAMUEL PERL v;rotc to 
BARR that he intended to bo in Paris studying music 
and advised him as to when he expected to arrive. BARR 
met SAMUEL PERL at the railroad station in Paris in 
September, 19^1^9, and took him to live v;lth him at his 
quarters in a private residence at iS^Rue de la Pelouse, 
Neuilly-Plaisance (Seine ct Oise) in the suburbs of Paris. 
PERL claims that prior to coming to Europe ho had not seen 
BARR norc than six or seven times in the Unites States 
and that BARR on those occasions v;as always in the company 
of his brother, WILLIAM PERL. 

According to the above Inforinant, SAMUEL PERL 
lived v;lth BARR at the Neuilly-Plaisance address for 
about three v;ecks but found it 00 inconveniently located 
from the city and being v;lthout personal transportation he 
decided to move to Paris. SAMUEL PERL's first address in 




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Paris vjas 53 Hue Notre Dame de Lorettc. 
81 Rue Maubou^'c, his present address. 


PERL moved to 


While PERL lived with BARR, he observed that 
BAPIR had a camera, wake unknown to PERL, and also 
possessed a slide projector v/hlch he used to exhibit 
color photOGi’t'^^phs taken in Sweden. PERL stated that BARR 
was intensol?/ Interested in music, particularly in the 
composition of music. BARR was enrolled iri the Conservatoire 
de Wusique dc Paris and studied there under OLIVIE^MESSIEK, 
an orcanist. PEJIL stated he saw very little of BAPuR 
after he, PERL, moved into Paris, explainin^j that they vjont 
to different music schools, PERL is enrolled in the 
Ecole Normale de Musique. Ho stated they lived far 
removed from each other. 




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VIII.IKT^/^VIEVJ 0? STAHLEY EODERT^RICH 

STANLEY ROBERT RICH, 2i+ Cacsilis Road, V/ost 
Hartford, Connecticut, has advised that ho att3nd'''d City 
CoIloEo of Mev’ York at the tine subject V/ILLIAJ'! PERL studied 
there' -and recalled both JULIUS ROSEUBERG and EORTOK S03ELL. 

Ho likoxv'isc is acquainted with HAY ELITCHER and V.’TLLIAM 
DAHZIGER, with whom ho resided during the: late 1930 's in 
V/ashington, D. C. 

RlCId said that vrhilc at City Colloqo of New York 
he became ongagod in leftist activities and participated in 
many student rallies such as advocating rid for Lo^oalist 
Spain and naintc;nancc of academic freedom, RICH said that 
during his senior year (193^) he vras a member of the Stoinmetz 
Club of the Young Communist League on r.ho City College campus 
although shortly after graduation ho abandoned his leftist 
sympathies and since that time has become very nnti-Commmist . 

Concerning the Stcinm^tz Club, RICH said the 
orgonization was named after a groat enginoor v;hom he 
described as a v;oll-known Socinilst, This club, subsequent 
to its organization, boesme affiliated with the Young 
Communist League and in fact became a unit of that organiza- 
tion, He explained that unlike the Communist Party, one 
did not have to bo a Communist to hold member ship in the 
Young Corrimunist League but merely bo sympathetic to 
Communism, RICK denied ever having joined the Communist 
Party as such. 


RICH advised he attended both open and closed 
r.eetings of the Y'^ung Communist League over o period of four 
to seven months during his senior year and r\ called the 
fo31ox-Jing wore also in attendance at closed rV-otings: JULIUS 
ROSENBERG, MORTON S03ELL, MiAX ELITCKER, WILLIAM DAKZIGER, 
and ImATHAR;SUSSMAN. 

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Ho also said that WILLIE '-MUTTER PERL waa possibly 
in attendance at thf^so closed meetings of tlie Young Communist 
League but he could not be definite on this point. Concerning 


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PKRL, RICH recalled hin as a follow atwdont c.t CCIT Vjho, in 
1937 and 1936, was sympathetic to the Coifimunist cause. RICH 
v;as unablo to cite definite rtat-rmentc on th^. nart of PERL 
and could rocnl 1 nothin;^ definite conct.rnin," the association 
of PERL with the Younr; Cornmnniot League, Pc djscribod PERL 
rs a brilliant individual v.'ith whom ho v/as glad to be 
associated on a laboratory team at RICH' said ho 

later heard PERL was v;ithi the Ilational Advisor';" Co.-cmittc c 
for Aeron^-'utics at Langley Yield, Virginia, f?o add-'jd th»t 
PERL would have known VILLIAM DAPZIGER, EORTOH COEKLL, and 
possibly MAh ELITCHER. RICE knev; of no dor.'-, a'cociation 
betwuon PERL and JULIUG ROGIl.'EERO at CCEY. 


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IX. PEHL’S l-'AhRIAGE AND RESIDENCE AT lOl; Z- ?+* "^eth STREET, 
NEv\' YOR^^ CITY 


Previous investigation in this case has rovc-alod 
that .''•ubsoque nt to PERL’s arrival in ’’ v York City in 
Sopto'vibcr 195 c, he resided for a short time ’.-ith his parents 
at 936 Tiffany Street, Bronx, Nc’.v York, after vjhich ho 
obtnire d a room ^t 6 IO V^cst 110th Street (Crth-.dral Parkway), 
• Nev; York City, nenthouso room v.’hlch is nr-sr the- Columbia 
University campus. 


It ir. recalled that since September 1950 PERL 
has boon oraployed as an instructor in physics and in research 
v;ork at Columbia. His office is located there in the Pupin 
Laboratory Building, tcloplione University i|.-3200, extension 
501 , Recent inquiries at Columbia University hav-.. rovcalcd 
that PERL is currently employed there. 

Confidential. Informant T- 6 , of knovm reliability, 
v;ho has been contacted periodically, advised tbr-t on Octobei- 
9> 1950 subject was moving "to a place on 33th Rtroot", 
although she did not know the exc.ct address. 

It is recalled that subject's former common-lavi 
wife, HE;'^R];ETTA SAVIDGE, resides at lOii. East 33t}. Stre-ot. 
Investigation at the latter ac3dro.•^s revealed that subject 
is living there in the top floor rear apart'Oent, v.’hich is 
occupied by Eiss SAVIDGE. Si.)bsoqvcntly it v;.es noted that . 
the name on PEMTdETTA SAVIDGE' s mailbo-X locat-^d in tlie 
building lobby wrs changed to r^-ad "Mr, and Mr. a, U'lLLIAM 
"-^PERL - HE:3hIETTA SAVIDGpf', 

The records of t]ie Hr-rriago License Bureau, 

Borough of Manhattan, #28892, reflect' that MILLI/U^ PERL, 

610 W-est noth Street, Now York rity, .and UFIiRIETTA BOYD 
SAVIDGE, 10l|. East 33th Street, Ne'-r York City, applied for 
a license to marfy on October l.Y, 1950 ''-nd that the 
marri.age cc-romoxp/ vjas per formed on October 2.1, 19.50 by 
Reverend DONALD 'HARRINGTON of 10 -•ark :->V'^nue, New York City. 
The rocor-d furt'hrir indicated that PERL v’.a.a bern October 1, 


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191B at Kew Yorlc City end thr.t his parents are ABRAHAM 
jj^MHTTERPERL, born in Poland, and SARAH^.-BELTZER , alao born in 
''Poland. His occupation is listed as a jjhysicist. This 
record reflt^'ctcd that HS^RIETTA BOYD^S/.VIDGE was born March 

I91B at Indianapolis, Indiana; that her parents are AXiBEHIIL__. 
'"pAVIDGE and RUTH BOYE^GEARHAHTjcrboth born in the United^ „ 

T'tritos, Her occupation was listed as an artist. It v;a3 f 

the first marriage for both individuals, r 

Con:^identl al Informant T-7 , of known reliability, 
adv^isod that r.iib.lect is maintaining regular hours at 
Columbia University and thrst he spends his evenings for the 
most part at his homo. This informant has furnished no 
further information of pertinence to this investigation to 
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X. PROSECUTIVE OPINION 


In varlouc conferenceE with Chief Acsistant United 
States Attorney MYLES J, LANE concernins this and the 
related cases of JULIUS ROSENBERG, MORTON SOBELL and others. 
Nr. LANE has stated that he is still considering prosecution 
of PERL for perjury before the P'ederal Grand Jury. However, 
he has said that final opinion as to seeking an Indictment 
against PERL v/ould avjait the disposition of the ROSENBERG 
and SOBELL cases currently pending in the Southern District 
of Nev; York. 


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I. CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT T-8 

Confidential Informant T-8, of unlcnov/n reliability, 
advised in strictest confidence that JULIUS ROSEJiBERG 
stated that v;hen the Canadian Spy rin^ broke up he, 
ROSENBERG, lost contact for almost two years. He also 
mentioned, in discussing the amount of patience required 
-•for underground v/ork, that he had advanced money to a 
young couple with which to open a business in the West. 
ROSENBERG said that the man was a school companion of 
his and had been in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. For 
years this couple operated a business, building a front 
in this City, and during difficult times ROSENBERG had to 
supply this couple with money. This man acted as a go- 
botvjecn for men v/ho had microfilm to send to ROSEliBERG for 
further conveyance. ROSENBERG stated this nan was a drop 
between the East and West for ROSENBERG. ROSENBERG said 
it had not been a simple matter to maintain this man and 
that it would have been a serious blov; to all operations 
to leave this man standing. The informant stated that he 
believed only ROSEI-JBERG knew the location of this man. 
ROSENBERG advised that he is now worried that this man 
will be lost as a result of Information furnished by 
DAVID GREENGLASS. 

From tlie above Information, It apnears that 
KjIKE^SIDOROVICH and ANN^'SIDOROVICH reasonably fit the 
identity of this couple. It is noted that MIKE SIDOROVICH ’ 
v;as a member of the fibraham Lincoln Brigade and has 
lived in Cleveland, Ohio, with ANN since December, 1944; 
hov7evor, his employment record does not indicate that he 
had his own business except for his employment as a real 
estate salesma,n in 1949 ii'i Cleveland. 

The above informant also stated that JULIUS 
ROSENBERG was concerned about information given to the 
Government by a woman v;ho was on intimate terms V7ith his 
vjife, ETHEL. ROSENBERG said that this v/oman travelled to 
a distant city to bring funds to a man there so that he 
could leave the country, but that for some reason the funds 
were refused by this man. The ivoman returned to Nev; York 
and, according to the informant, the Government picked 
her up with the money, ROSENBERG also said that the 
Government has an exhibit which Is a photograph of this 
v7oman and his wife, ETHEL. 


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Frorr. the above information^ It would appear that 
ROSENBERG was roferrlnG to VIVIAN GLASSMAN who went to 
Cleveland in July, 1950, to deliver $2,000 to PERL v;hlch 
he refused. VIVIAN GLASSMAN has been interviewed by agents 
of the Nei7 York office and has appeared -before the Grand 
•Jury, Southern District of Hew York. The Hev; York office 
does not have a photo'jraph of VIVIAIJ GLASSMAN and ETHEL 
ROSENBERG together, but does have a c-.rouo photo v:hich 
includes VIVIAN GLASSi-lAN, JOEL DARR and ALFRED and LOUISE, 
—^'■'SARANT . It has been established that VIVIAN GLASSMAN and 
'ETHEL ROSENBERG were on friendly terms and that VIVIAN 
GLASSMAN has acted as baby sitter for the ROSENBERG children. 

During an intervievj with agents of the New York 
office, VIVIAN GLASSMA.N advised that an unknovrn nan had 
come to her house and had given her $2,000 to deliver to an 
aeronautical engineer in Cleveland. She also stated that 
on her return to Nevr York this man again came to her house 
and she returned the $2,000 to him since WILLIAM PERL had 
refused to accept it. 

Although portions of the foregoing information 
furnished by Confidential Informant T-B should probably 
be included in the Investigative Section of this report 
same arc at this time being considered Administrative 
due to the delicate and temporary nature of the source. 

It is felt that this information is- available to onlj'’ a 
restricted fev/, all of whom arc ki'iovm to ROSENBERG and 
fqr this reason the source cannot be adequately concealed 
at this time. It is anticipated at a future appropriate 
time this Information will be set forth in an Investigative 
Section of a report. 

All offices arc insbructod that the foregoing 
information is not to be disseminated and that every effort 
should bo made to conceal the identity of this informant. 


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roon 15^5 rrc:r. Kovzinber 5 to Docembor 10, 1950 r.t r. rate of 
!i>lG,).).5 ?or vreck for board end room. Ker home addr^sss v:as 
1617 Mers Avenue, Lakewood, Ohio* The record r^. fleeted she 
■vres 3^? years old, American, church affiliation - Presbyterian, 
’ occiipntion - librarian. Her employer's neme and -address v;as 
^not shov.^n. She listed her nearest relative os I;rs,_ 0, L,„ 

' J’TLKINS , 1617 Mars Avenue, Lake\irood, Ohio, Shu'Tlso'T.is tod 
a' Mi ss^IvAT-DMIN, r-.ddrcc;s Cleveland Svanacllno {Salva.tion 
Army {girls' residence in Glovel-and), and Mi’s. _ BENJAMIN 
*. 5ENITZKY, 303 «R-;Et 103 rd Street, New York City, rs references. 

The indices of the Hew York Office were searched 
for information concerning Mrs, BENJAMIN SEKITZir/ with 
negative results. 

The r.bovo records also reflect a local telephone 
ch.argc to room 1505 in the amount of \Si on Nov-.:,mbcr 12, 1950 
for a call to University i|-3200, vjhich is listed to the 
Columbia TJniver.aity PBX syatom. On rovember I 6 , 1950» 0 
charge; of 352:^ war, m-^dc to room 15^5 ^’or a local overtime 
call to Fieldetono 7-1100, listed to the United lietlons 
Seer'' tnriat , executive end general offices, and Department 
of Information at Lake Success, Nov; York, 

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The identity of the persons called or the time 
of day the above calls wore made v;as not avdlafole in the 
above records, although it is noted that PERL is employed 
nt the Pupin Lr.boratorv at Coliunbio, TJniver.city . 

Concerning Miss WILKINS ' call to tho United 
Nations, it v:as noted th-'t this number is used by the public 
to request spectator pa.c.ces to the gallery. Previous 
investigation nt the UN has revealed that no record is 
maintained there of the i.esunneo of such passes said that 
no record is in fact m.sintfiinod of pi,r.con.c entering UN 
premises to contact officials or other p<;rson3 locntad there, 

A ■ph-otograph of subject w-'ec er/tibite'd to Miss 
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clcrk-tolophono operator, and GLORI/. HORMIrTG, telephone 

operator at the above address, none of v:hon recognized the 
subject nor cou.ld they give any inforriation concerning any 
visits by him to Miss VJILKIMS. 

A ro'-iew of instant case file reveals that PERL 
is not known to have visited 1?3 ’•Just 13th Street, Lev; York 
City, 

The above inforriation ''las furnished the Bureau 
and the Clevc.l.'.nd Office by Unw lurk tflutype d- ted December 
l6, 1950 , with the request that Clcv'cl rnd obtain ■•’ILKIUS ’ 
physical doscrijition and also h^er period of employment at 
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III. PERLip. CLASSMATES AT CCT:Y 

ThiG orricc haG recently concludocl a project of 
intc rvicvjin^ onch of tho graduates of the February 3 93S, 

Juno 193S> February 1939 tand June 1939 classes at City 
College of Kevj York, since it has becoinc evid'; nt that Kcny 
of the nembsrs of the ROSENBERG apparatus attund’..;d City 
College during the above period, These persons were quostionod 
concerning the; associates, activities and degrees of relation- 
ship botvrecn tho various Individuals raontioned in this case 
and known to have attended CCIiy, 


VJith tho exception of the follov/ing, each of the 
individuals interviewed vias either not acqurdntod wdth PERL 
or recognized him only by photograph or narao but could give 
no information concerning his associates or my Commimist 
activities on his part v/hilc on the campus, or concerning 
his activities or associates since leaving school. Likewise, 
no inforr^ation of a Communist or an espionage nature con- 
cerning PERL vjas obtained which io pertinent to this inves- 
tigation VJith tho exception of the; follovring. 


/i.BE*FED?1RING, lli.79 Yacombs Road, Bronx, Hew York, 
advised GA MA.h'TIN F, CAREY that ho is employ ed by the 
Electronics Department, Building #77# Brooklyn Navy Yard, 
During the interviev; he rocoguizod oicturos of THORTON 303ELL, 
V’lLI.I/.Y T'Rn.'TERPERL, WILLI..T1 DArZIC-FR and TYX SLITCl’ER. He 
said th''.t he lia.d knovm these four at CCMY and said that all 
of them VJith the cxceyjtlon of 30 BELL vjoro pro -Communist , 

He assumed thet all of the four knevj each other since they 
were all members of tho same class# Hovjovcr, in this regard 
ho did not knovj specifically of any closer friendship exist- 
ing betvjcon any of the group. He said that he vjas not too 
friendly with any of thu above fojr end said that ho knov; 
DAN7JGjH^ bettor than tho others. 


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Howt^'^er, ho did not Icnovj if !\ny of the af oroncnt ioned porcons 
belonged to it and war, likcwioo unovraro that they v;ould have 
bolonr^ed to the Steinmetz Section, Ko had never heard of 
this rc'ction of the 7ounf<; Com^unirt le •preo , 


elSDERING scid that ho had never been approached 
by any of thie n;ro'ap or by any others of his clc.srr.ctes to 
Join the Yonnp Co'annnist Loa^^re, ITDEHING alro a';id that 
while he had not been lectured by anyone concerning the 
advantages of CorTimunism while at school, ho war avjo.re th"t 
MUTTER PERL, DARZIGER and ELITCTIER wzrc pro-Coimnunis t and 
that they did not keep their views coc^ot around the school, 
PEDERIilG denied any Conrmjnjst affiliations on his ovm part. 


It is noted that each of th-.- graduo,top of CCITY 
in 193^ and 1939 wore contacted in connection v;lth the 
related cases entitled "MORTOU 50PELL, wa., E3M0UAGE - R” 
and "JULIUS ROGEKBERG, ESriOUAGE - R", in .-'ddition to this 
COSO, and co'^plote results of the interviews h'^ve been 
reported in the GODELL case. Since th'r*.5 arc 'pp'aoximately 
?00 persons on this list, each of v;hich vj.es ge-norally necativo 
as to NILLIAM PERL, v/ith the above- exception, and since each 
of them has boon appropriately indexed in the SOBEI^L enso, 
their individual names are not being listed in this report^ 


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ADMINISTRATIVi; IhGE - (Cont'd) 

IV. MISCEI.LAHEOUS 

Investigation by the Clev.lsnd Office has re- 
vealed that V.'alter J, Johnson, Inc,, 125 Bast 23rd Street, 

Hew York City, directed mail to the suhj-ct PERL while ho 
resided in Cleveland, Ohio, Inqxiir?/ hy reporting agent has 
revealed that this company is an octcblished j?ir:n dovsling 
in books Ox a general nature on a wholesale and retail basis. 

There is no derogatory infor'''.ation available in 
the Hew York indices concerning this company, although 
Confidential Informant T-9 , of knovm reliability, has 
advised that a chock in the amount of ,“>125 was paid to tho 
firm during the spring of 1950 by order of Ponstvjowy Zakald 
dla ?3adan Fizkochomic Nych w, Krakovjie, Krakow, 

Confidential Informant T-10, of known reliability, 
advised that in Docombor 1914-9 a p.ajnnont was m.ade to V.'alter 
J. Johnson, Inc, , 125 East 23rd £tre( t, H vr York City, from 
the account of ih-.rodowy Bank Polsky at the Irving Trust 
Company, York City, 077 order of I'''tional P-chool Publi- 

cations, 17 arszv;e, in the nmourit of $ 915 » 55 * Likcv/isc, in 
Decembe.r 191-1-9, a charge in tho amount of .^222,20 in favor 
of the; Johnson firm was made on thn above account by order- 
of "Czytolnik" Spoldziolnas Wydo^'miczo-Osv.'i.atowa, V/arszawa. 

Tho above informant also advired that during 
November 1914-9, tvro charges vrer-' made on the. above -account ' 
in favor of the Johnson firm in the amounts of •'*!;3l|-0 and ;iB335» 

Investigation by the Clov-. lend Office has re- 
vealed that the g-at- register maintained at tho National 
Advisory Comrnittet. for Aeronautics at Cleveland reveals 
that on September 22, I9I4.6, one pnr.Yr,RicHAJIE)D, 19 Bennett 
Place, Amityvillo, Long Island, ro'nr>, ;.acntlVig Ri-public 
Aviation Company, visited ABEfr>IL’’^Er(CTEIN , si.ib.i‘;ct ’ s superior, 
and that on Yay 31 » 1914-9, one' GALE J", ’ROOTS, 35 Cholfiold, 
Bronxvillo, Nov; York, visited MILTON /KLEIN, a co-workcr 
and close associate of the subject, ‘ 


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A se'srch of the New York Office indices reveals 
no infoCTuo tion concerning JTDD or ROOTS, 

, Likewise, the above records reflected th'it on 

March 29. 19ii6 one C. Lr'MUZZEY, 1120 Harmon /.vonno, Dayton, 
Ohio, representing Aero Products Division, General Motors 
Corporation, visited ABE SILVT'JuSTEIIj. 'il. vjas acconpanied 
by JOHN P*^HAF;RIS, apparently of the s.anc firri, 

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On January 17, 19i;9, one C. t; ./PORTER, East 
Main P.tr(;ct, Claircvilla, Olilo, ronrosenting Hanna Coal 
Company, visited ABE GILYERBTEIN. 

By letter to the Bureau d'-ted January 22, 1951# 
the Cincinnati Office adviS’.d that a search of its indices 
on January lI}., 1951 revealed no identifj'ing information 
concerning PORTER or MOZ'/’EY. 

The above records further refl octed^ thrit on 
March 29, 19)4.6, 3. D.''D0MBIRER cand ons'KHH:; or^OHARP, both 
of York, I ennaylvanin , representing S. Morgan Onith and 
Corapany, visited SILVERRTEIN. 

Ll):cv;iso, on August 9, 1946, 0, H . 'JACOBSON, 

103 North 3i'd Str.^ot, Rnsding, Pennsylvania, reproaonting 
Marquardt Aircraft, visited SILVEHDTEIN. 

Py l..ttor to thv Director d.-!t„;d January 22, 1951# 
the Philadelphia Office advl.'^ed that the indices of that 
office contained no inComriation concerning D0i'lRIn}?R or 
JACOBSON. 

WILLIAM PERL hecs advised th'-t one MILTON KLEIN 
h^s been closely associated with him for several ye.ars .and 
tlj.'it thi.y v;or]-:od tog' ther for T'ACA both "t Langley Field, 
Virginia end at Cleveland, Odo, It is not .d that this 
p(;rson has bofui intei'vlovfod by Clov', l.and agent:;, conc'.rning 
one of rERL’s .''.uto transactions in Clev I'-nd, and that KLEIN 


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ADiOINISTRATIVF. PAGE - (Cont'd) 

Ic • currently residing in N York City vihero h-;; is attending 
New York University, In this ccnnoction, the notebook of 
JULIUU ROSh'NESRG, which was located at the Pitt TIochino 
Ih’oducto Cornpriny by SA •*'ICII.'EL J, McDOU/.C-VI subsequent to the 
arrest of ROi'FNBIr.’RU, contained nn entry as fellows: "TIILTON 
IvLEI?:, Arny Air Forces, Mi l.|.-l600", Inve stlg''tion in the 
R03"UUrPG case has revealed th<?.t this ''’IL'TOU i'l.yiN of the 
Arm^' Air Forces is not identical with YILTO:: KLEIN of HACA 
who is a close friend of the subject, 

T'JLrON KLEIN of the .'-rray j\ir ^-’orcos vres intcr- 
vicv.'cd on .■! •■‘■.nvery 30, 1951 in the offices of the Air Force 
Materiel Co’vnsnd, 6? Broad Street, h v York City, tel' phone 
WK i4-l600, by SAS REX I. 3HR0DER .end .F-KYo P. LEE. KLEIN 
advised th.at he prf s-.ntly resides at 21-2,3 34th Avenue, 

Long Island City, Now 'York, and for;r,-rrly re.sidcci .at 7^'0 
i‘.''.;st End Avenue, Lew "^ork Cit;,', having rfiOV'-xl to his prcs.ent 
location appro.xiinatoly the middle of Jrnuary 19>1, KLEIN 
stated that ronotime du.ring 19li.O ho joined the United States 
Sigi^-l Cerps in Lew York City and .shortly thoro-aftor v;r;s 
sent to ?} 2 ilndslr)hia to attend tr.aininy .school, IL-: departed 
Nov; York fur Philod'ilphia in com 7 .>any vrith other inspectors 
who v;ere- goin.g to the training .school. Included in this 
group vrero .a T'’r, .and Mr.s, JULiU3‘'?.0;'.ETiB?.'nG, vrho 'were intro- 
duced to KLEIl’ during th-? trip, Mrs, ROSEUFERf was trrv filing 
with her husband end vias the cnly vjifo present out of the 
entire group, 

M:ilo in Phil .adc-lphia, KLEIN v/an in ccintact with 
JUr.IUS ROSEN' UT.irj during v.arious cl-'^ssos but did not associcOtc 
vj i th him o tli e rwi s o , 

So'iotimc during. 19l|.2> KUEII.’ "gain m.st R0.3ENBERG 
in Now York City while on officird l)U.3ine.''s at the Horny 
M'^nuf -acturing Conp.cny, KLEIN v.'a.a a ".signed to thi.a cotapmy 
for .a pr/riod. ef eight months and R''' S’-lNrd'iRG w.'-.s. .'-.Ieo 
. station(-d there for appro.ximstoly oni- v.au-k. 


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ADMINISTRATIVE PAGE - (Cont'd) 

KLEIN later snw R03?-'3ERG d'jring 19l|.3» '^t which 
time the ].attcr wes employed at the En ^r.eon P.adio Company 
in Now Jersey, 

KLEIN'S next contact with. R0.iEN'BER3 v.-as in 19I|.^ 
when the /.ir Force set up its own nrocurenont orcenizr.tion 
in New York City and KLEIN became cmplo:', '. d here, RO.IEIBSRG 
telephoned KTEIN at the of.ricc- to stote th'-t bo had been 
dismiss. -d from hie position with the Si^anal Corps because 
of his .a.f flli-ations v/ith the American Labor Party .and mun- 
tionod that ho had his own shop and vr-as doing sub-contract 
wforl: for the Air Forces, RCSIYWERG a.rked KLEIN if he knew 
of any contracts to be li-ad or h.-’d any ido.ac on how to 
obtain them, KI.EIM ropli(;d in the fp'.tlve '■'.nd ROSENBERG 
asl:od him to come out .and look over hi:; machine shop. 
Subsequently KLEIN inspected ROSENBEliG’s shop, which he 
believes was loc-at'-’d on Jlou.-.ton Street, .Sometime thereafter 
KLEIN visited ROSEMBERGLa shop, v/hich ho recalled .appeared 
to bo now inasmuch .as it was in a di.ac.rd(;rly condition. 


KLEIN advised that the abov^o incident v/as th'; 
last time he savr ROLENBEi-iG rlthou.gh lio n<^y hove .spoken to 
him on the tel. .phone since then. At no tine did ROSENBERG 
question him rolativo to iiny clas.sific..d inEorm".tion or 
make .any reference to a specific contr.act. 


During the .'•■bove 
photographs of rOR.TCN .'^OBELL, 
JOEL BARR and ilARKv. p; CF^ but 


interview, ivLEIN war. shovm 

v;illi..'a: h-rl, ;.l”RED larant, 
ho did not recognize any of them 


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ADhINISTHATIVE page 


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Q’ho records of the. Mri.m''p;'j License Bureau, . 


nciroxif^li <’>f T’oriliattfin, fi?.QQ92, reD.'ct d 
m.ntlon pri vicx’.sly report'.. d in, th' t 
subject’s mcn’rinf;o were LOUISE/ LEI Tl'i’.r ■ 
Previoxis invc.'xtia.ation has rcvcixlcd th:.i 


in addition to infer 
th'.' v.’itnoosco to 
nc] T\'rUS’;''..UITAK::R. 

. LOniSF LEimiK is 







ADMINISTRATIVE PAGE - ' (Cont’d) 


KFr’^’IETTA SAVIDGE*r, ristor who rcsidcE .at Nyack, Mew Ycri:, 
Thcr-i is no idontifinblc informet icn in the Now York 
•indices concerning LOUISE LEITM/N or DORIS VRIT/.KER. 

The above M.orrl age Licen.^c Biireau records 
were soarched by SE GERARD mT LENAHAN. 

SA ’-'ARK LAWLESS advised that c cecrch of the 
records e-f th.o FJue Cross Ho3pit<al Plan, New York City, 
revo-olod no information cono'vrning WILLIAM PERL under his 
true nnrae or known alics '~'f vm'7a’'oaT7'T-T ^ qp concerning his 
conmion-lr.w wife, HEKRIET'u' CA.-_’ fl. 

Confidential Informant T-I2, of knovjn reliability, 
advic-od that he. had no information pcrti.ni.nt to this inves- 
tigation concerning any coritactc by fno rubj .e-t cither at 
936 Tiff .any Str'-et, Pronx, New York, or 6].c I'r st 110th 
Str. ct, K. vj Y ->71': City. This informant v;ill continue efforts 
to obtain information concerning PERL at 936 Tiffany Street, 
Bronx, D&w York, and concerning PEFLL and HENRIETTA SAVIDGE 
PERL at 104 East 3Sth Street, Nev; York City . 

By lettx-r dated 10/23/50 this office forv;arded a 
specimen of SADI]’'^'^'IUTTERPERL ' s handwriting v;hich v.'as obtained 
at the Theodore Roosevelt High School to the FBI Laboratory 
for comparison v;lth the handvjriting appearing on a postal 
card addressed to the University of Tennessee and postmarked 
7/17/50. 

By report dated 11/3/50, the FBI Laboratory 
advised no conclusion could be reached since the Imovm 
specimen v;as not adequate for comparison. 


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NEW YORK 


LEAD 


At Mcv; Yoi^k City; 


Since all leads in this and related cases are 
bein;i directed by teletype and letter, no leads are beinj 
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The confidential inforn;ants mentioned in the report 
SA MAURICE V/, CORCORAN dated Fehruarj 16, 1951 at Nex^ York 
are as folloi/s: 



IS 


Civil Service Commission, V/ashlngton 


, D.C. 

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T-2 


V>\ 


T-3 Anonymous source 


|T-4 Major L. G. VJhlte, G-2 Intelligence Officer, 

Ft. Monmouth, H. J. and the files of his office. 



T-5 


T-6 


jcgal Attache Pari s 
; t ;forth 


^’ev/' "Y ork^rty-"'^'' Bull?lXh'6'”fe:'na,'-;eir*fcr ^ 
PERL- rjoeidencet 


T-7 


^<^R36ium13Irr"Unlvc-rcTCi-^^]hd"'i^^ 

T-8 ?aEaorg”1BDGg)jgSj»Affgm^ Sgg^W^ ^ 

T-9 f€U B. MATHIAS; -Deputr CdhtroYlw,^ 

VBankcrs”WTcT'1C^aH2r7^ ' 

j[l6 wall Street, Mew York cHy • 





ilew York City 


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INFORI-IAKTS - Continued 



Collector of Internal Revenue, 
Washington, D.C. 


T-12 Mail covers maintained on the subject's 
parents* address 938 Tiffany Street, 
Bronx, Nev; York, and on subject's 
addresses 6IO West 110th Street, IJev; York 
City, and 104 East 38th Street, I'iev/ York 
City. 


REFERENCES: Report SA MAURICE W. CORCORAN, 10/26/50, Nev; York. 
Bureau letter, II/IO/5O. 

Repor;; SA JOHN P. BUSCHER, II/3O/5O, v;a5hlngton,D.C. 
Report SA PAUL R. BI3LER, 12/5/50, Albany. 

Bureau letter, 12/11/50. 

Report SA VINCENT J. CAHILL, 12/1 5/5O, New York, 
in case entitled, "MAX ELITCHER; HELENE 
ELITCHER; - ESPIONAGE-R" (Nev; York origin) 

Report SA JOHN B. O'DONOGHUE, 1/5/51, Cleveland. 


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vOPSIS - (continued); 


Investigation re PERL letter 10/31^1 
reported. RUTH ALSCHER interviev/ed, 
negative. Information re VIVIAK 
GLASSMAN's reference to "ship Incident" 
Involving JOEL BARR and PERL reported. 
ELEANOR CLASSMAN, MILTON GLAS.SiViAN, 
subject's brother SAMUEL PERL, and 
STANLEY ROBERT RICH interviev;cd . 

PERL married HENRIETTA SAVILGE at NYC 
on 10/21/50 and nov? resides v;lth her 
at her apartment 104 E. 38th St., NYC. 
AUSA, SDNY, xdll render final opinion 
as to prosecution of PERL at conclusion 
of ROSENBERG and SOBELL trial. 


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! 3-Clevcland (65-2730) I 

■ 1-Knoxville (65-430) (Inf.) * 

1-Los Angelos (65-5075) (Inf.) 

1-Neivark (65-4100) (Inf.) 

1-San Francisco (Inf.) 

1-Washlngton Field (65-5543) (Inf.) 

4-Nev/ .York 


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I. SUI'MARY OF INFORMATION FURNISHED BY 

MAX AMD HELENE ELITCHER, 4 

II. ADDITIONAL INFORM/\TION RE ASSOCIATION OF 

PERL AMD MORTON SOBELL, 17 

III. INTERVIEW OF RUTH ALSCHER, 24 

IV. INFORMATION RE "SHIP INCIDENT" - 

VIVIAN CLASSMAN, 25 

V. INTERVIEW' OP ELEANOR CLASSMAN, 28 

VI. IN'IERVIEW OP MILTON CLASSMAN, 34 

VII . INTERVIEW V;iTH SAMUEL PERL, 36 

VIII. INTERVIEW OF STANLEY ROBERT RICH, 39 

IX. PERL’S MARRIAGE AND RESIDENCE AT 


104 EAST 38 th STREET, NEVJ YORK CITY,... 4l 
X. PROSECUTIVE OPINION, 43 


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SUMT^mRY OP INPORFi/'.TION FURNISHED 

BY MAX AND HELENE ELITCIiER 

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MAX and HELEIIE ELITCHER have been intervlev;ed period- 
ically since they vjere initially contacted by agents of the 
Nev; York office on Jul,, 20, 1950. In subsequent interviews, 
their associations with JULIUS ROSENBERG, WILLIAM PERL, 
and other members of the group have been reviev/ed resulting 
in more detailed information being obtained relative to 
the dates of the meetings and details of the conversations 
v;hlch occurred at these meetings. It is noted, however, that 
in revlev/ing this information certain discrepancies have 
become apparent which for the most part now have been 
resolved. The following is a comoosite summary of information 
concerning PERL furnished by MiAX and HELENE ELITCHER. 

MAX ELITCHER has stated that he knev/ PERL v;hile at 
the City College of NevJ York from 193^ to 1938 when both 
received engineering degrees. He said they were further 
associated on the City College campus during September 
and October, 1938> v/hen both vjere taking postgraduate 
courses. 


He said they were the only tv/o members of the 
graduating class who took these postgraduate courses. 
According to ELITCHER, he and PERL became quite friendly 
and spent practically all of their time on the campus 
together. He added that he got to knov; PERL quite well 
and liked him, but said tiiat this relationship during the 
above tvjo month period v/as confined only to the campus. 

He said he never went out socially v;lth PERL, nor did he 
visit PERL's home. 

ELITCHER furt’^er stated that PERL and JULIUS 
ROSENBERG knew each other at the City College of New York 
but he did not know the extent of their relationship at 
that time. 


ELITCHER has stated likewise that PERL knew MORTON 
SOBELL at City College and that both graduated in the same 
class. PERL, however, in various interviews was .shown . 
a photograph of SOBELL but failed to identify it, although 
ho said he recognized the name of SOBELL as a casual I 
acquaintance at school. Concerning SOBELL, MAX ELITCtlER ^ 


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fes caid ROSEI\iBERG told him that SOBELL was cooperating v;l 
ROSEITOERG In espionage activities. 


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ELITCIIER also originally advised he did not see 
PERL from the time they graduated In 1938 until 19^1-4 in 
Nev/ York City in the company of JULIUS ROSENBERG. 

FAX ELITCHER has subsequently recalled having seen 
PERL in V/ashington, D.C., in 1939 or 19^0 in the company 
of MORTON SOBELL. In this connection he recalled that in 
April, 1939, he, ELITCHER, and MORTON SOBELL moved into 
an apartment at 4925 Seventh Street, N.V/., V/ashington, D.C. 
and resided there for about one year. In April, 1940, he 
and SOBELL moved into an apartment at 2225 N Street, 
Washington, L.C., where he remained until October, 1941. 
SOBELL had left this address in September, 1941, to attend 
the University of Michigan. ELITCHER recalled that v/hlle 
he and SOBELL resided at 4925 Seventh Street, N.VJ,, 
V/ashington, D.C., they came ' downtown one day and net 
V/ILLIAM PERL vjho was spending the day in V/e shington . 
ELITCHER recalled this meeting because it was very 'warm in 
V/ashington and PERL vjas wearing a heavy overcoat. He added 
that they Joked about 'RL's overcoat off and on during 
the day. ELITCHER said that they did not go back to their 
apartment with PERL but remained In the dovmtovm section 
of V/ashington with him for most of that day. 


According to W.X ELITCHER, at that time PERL vias 
residing and working in Virginia and had come up to 
V/ashlngton to visit them. He also recalled that MORTON 
SOBELL had made a trip to Virginia on one occasion to visit ' 
PERL. ELITCHER advised that SOBELL had given him, ELITCHER, 
a very graphic description of the place vjhere PERL vjas 
residing and told him that PERL had no friends and v/as 
lonesome. SOBELL also told ELITCHER that PERL v;as renting 
a room in a private homolocated in the suburbs. 


ELITOIER has also stated that betvjeen 1939 und 
1941 , while in V/ashington, D.C., SOBELL v;as in correspondence 
with V/ILLIAM PERL and received postcards fi'om him and 
possibly letters. ELITCHER did not know v/hethcr SOBELL 
pad corresponded with PERL after September, 1941, vJhen I 
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I VJith recard to ELITCHER's statement of SOBELL's ^ 

alleced visit to PERL In Virginia between 1939 and 19^1> 

Mr. JOSEPH P. BLUM and his wife, AHNE BLUM, brother- in- 
lav; and sister of V/ILLIAH PERL, have furnished correspondence 
received by them from V/ILLIAM PERL. Included in this 
correspondence v;a3 a letter dated February 4, 1940, written 
by V/ILLIAM PERL to his mother as follov.'s: 

"Dear Ma, 

I am well and trust that you are too. I’m very busy those 
days v;lth my Job, but it Isn’t hard work, just interestinc. 

The weather’s been pretty good here (there is snow on the 
ground) but I have no cold and feel disgustincly healthy. 

I’m getting a sv;eater because the old one just wore a hole 
through the elbow. The boys in the office have been 
v;atching for my shirt to show through and the suspense v;ao 
terrific but its all over nov; and I have to get a new one. 

My friend came down from V/ashington (the boy who owns the 

drug-store Sobell) looking for a new job. He may be 

transferred soon. 

Hov;’s Sammy making out? Give me all the ghastly details. 
There’s nothing more to report. Greetings to the family. 

/s/ V/llly 

P.S. Has Sammy heard any more about the thesis?" 

It is noted that PERL v;as employed by the K.A.C.A. 
at Lan/'loy Field, Virginia, when the above letter vjas 
written. 


It has been previously reported that MAX and 
HELEIvIE ELITCHER have advised that JULIUS ROSEITOERG 
visited their homo in Washilngton, D.C., for the first time 
in the spring of 1944. However, they have since fi::ed the 
date of this first visit os occurlng after Juno S, 1944. 

On the occasion of his first visit, Mrs. ELITCHER has 
'Stated that she v/as no' present during all of the I 

conversation because sIjc vva.s asked to leave tlie room, I 
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upo* her return to the room the three engaged in a social * 
conversation. It is noted that MAX ELITCHER has advised in 
connection v/ith this visit that ROSENBERG'S purpose in 
coming to his home v;as to persiAade him to furnish confidential 
information to him. 

It is nov; the recollection of both MAX and HELENE 
ELITCHER that ROSENBERG mentioned during the above social 
conversation that he had had a drink vjith some Russian 
friend of his, not further identified, in celebration 
of the Allies invading the coast of France. It is noted 
that the D-Day invasion on the coast of Prance occurred on 
June 6, 19 ^ 4 , and v;ith this date in mind the ELITCHERs 
noiv state that ROSENBERG'S visit must have been during the 
summer of 19^^ » subsequent to June 6, 19^^* 

VJhilc the above Incident does not directly Involve 
WILLIAM PERL, it is being set forth herein to correct the 
date of the ELITCHER contact vjith ROSEi^IBERG previously 
reported in Instant case as being in the spring of 1944 ♦ 

It was previously reported in this case that HELENE 
ELITCHER had absolutely no recollection of JULIUS ROSENBERG 
visiting her home in Washington, D. C, a second time. On the 
other hand, MAX ELITCHER has been very specific in recalling 
ROSENBERG'S second visit. He associated this second visit . 
by ROSEI'JBERG with a photograph of his wife which appears in 
the "Federal Record", a United Federal V/orkers of America 
publication for the Washington, D. C. area. 

A photostatic copy of the issue of the "Federal 
Record" dated September I 9 , 19^5> v;as shown to MAX ELITCHER 
and he advised after studying the photographs on page 2 
that the photograoh appearing at the bottom of that page 
was the one that he recalled having been taken on the day 
that ROSENBERG visited him for the second time at his home 
in Washington, D. C. 

In view of the date of the issue of the "Federal 
Record" in which this photograph appeared, MAX ELITCHER 
acknowledged that he was wrong in originally saying that he 
believed that ROSENBERG contacted him in Washington for the j 
sebond time during the fall of 1944. He indicated that on J 


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thei basis of the photograph appearing in the "Federal Record" 
he is nov; of the belief that ROSEI'ffiERG probably contacted 
him v/ithln one or two v;eeks prior to the date that the 
photograph appeared in the "Federal Record", v.'hich 
vjould indicate that ROSENBERG probably saw him during the 
first week of September, 19^5. He did indicate, hov/ever, 
that he was quite surprised to see this photograph appearing 
in an issue dated September, 19^^5> since that meant that an 
Interval of over a year had occurred beti^cen ROSENBERG'S 
visits to his home. He said he had previously been of the 
Impression that ROSENBERG’S second visit to him in 
V/ashlngton, D. C., occurred within a few months after the 
first one. ELITCHER ruled out, however, the possibility 
that ROSENBERG contacted him in Washington on more than the 
above tv;o occasions. 

A photostatic copy of the issue of the "Federal 
Record" dated September 19, 19^5, was then exhibited to 
HELENE ELITCHER through her husband, but she advised that 
while she recalled the picture being taken in VJashlngton 
she had absolutely no recollection of the other events that 
took place that same day and again said that she had no 
recollection of R0SEI\IBERG having come to her home the second 
time . 

Bird In Hand Restaurant 
New York City 
September, 19^^ 


The ELITCHER s arc nov; of the opinion that their 
next contact with ROSENBERG, PERL and others mentioned in 
this case, occurred in New York City about September, 19^^, 
at which time HELENE ELITCHER mot PERL for the first time. 
It is noted that the ELITCHERs were married in Hay, 19^3, 
and Mrs, ELITCHER has no information concerning the 
associations of her husband, ROSENBERG, PERI., or SOBELL 
prior to that time. 



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1 MX ELITCHER has recalled that in about September off 

1944, he and his wife were in New York City, either for the 
day or on a v/eekcnd visit, and went to visit his mother at 
her home in New York City. ELITCHER stated that he and his 
wife possibly visited RUTH ALSCHER at her home after seeing 
his mother since RUTH ALSCHER was pregnant and because her 
busband, MORRIS ALSCHER, now deceased, was in the Service 
at that time. It is noted that MORRIS ALSCHER v;as MAX 
ELITCHER 's brother* ELITCHER stated that he did not recall 
the circumstances of RUTH ALSCHER 's presence at the dinner 
with them later that day, but said that she was probably home 
alone v;hen they visited her and that he and his v/ife invited 
her to accompany them to dinner. 

He further recalled that by pre -arrangement he and 
his wife were to meet JULIUS ROSENBERG at the corner of 
42 nd Street and 8 th Avenue in New York City. ELITCHER stated 
that prior to his arrival there he Icnew that VJILLIAM PERL 
v;as going to be present. He said he did not Icnow hov; he 
came into possession of this information but assumed that 
he had been told by ROSEI'IBERG that PERL v;ould be with them 
that day. At any rate, the ELITCHERs and RUTH ALSCHER met 
JULIUS ROSENBERG at the aforementioned intersection in New 
York City and shortly thereafter WILLIAM PEFUl, and his 
younger brother arrived. ELITCHER stated that the entire 
party walked up 8 th Avenue, northbound, and were Intent 
on going to Fornos Restaurant for dinner. It is noted that 
ROSENBERG had suggested Fornos Restaurant as a good place 
to eat. The current Manhattant Telephone Directory lists 
a Fornos Restaurant at 236 West 52nd Street, New York City. 
ELITCHER Stated that everyone was v/earing light clothing that ' 
day Indicating that the weather was still quite warm. He 
could not recall exactly but stated that they did not get 
into Fornos Restaurant because the restaurant was closed or 
because somebody v;as not v/earlng a Jacket and vjas not 
permitted to eat at the restaurant without having one on. 


He recalled further that the group had dinner at 
the Bird In Hand Restaurant at 1659 Eroadviay, New York City, 
in lieu of Fornos Restaurant. ELITCHER and his wife have 
b^h stated that either during dinner or imnod lately therc- 
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su^cquently Joined the group at the restaurant and when • 
dinner v;as over they all returned to BARR’S apartment. MAX 
ELITCHER recalled that BARR had a roof garden apartment at 
the top- of an apartment building in the vicinity of 100th 
Street and Broadway and he further recalled that the entire 
group spent the whole evening outdoors which would again 
’indicate that the day was a mild one. 

HELENE ELITCHER was of the opinion that this dinner 
at the Bird In Hand Restaurant had probably taken place 
during September, 19^4, since RUTH ALSCHER was noticeably 
pregnant at that time. In this connection, the records of 
the Board of Health for the City of New York, Certificate 
No. 4013, indicates that PETER JACK ALSCHER v/as born on 
February 4, 1945> at the Park V/est Hospital, New York 
City; that his father vjas MORRIS, 29 years of age, born In 
New York City, and a soldier in the U.S. Army; and his 
mother was RUTH HOLBERTHAL, 22 years of age, born in New 
York City. The ALSCHERs at that time resided at 1445 
Madison Avenue, New York City. 

From this information, it would appear that the 
ELITCHERs are correct in assuming that the dinner party 
at the Bird In Hand Restaurant did occur during the 
month of September, 1944, since this was ax)proxlmately 
five months prior to the time that RUTH ALSCHER gave 
birth to a son. 

Both MAX and HELENE ELITCHER agree that the entire 
party, vjlth the exception of RUTH ALSCl-IER, vjent later that 
same evening to the apartment of ALFFffiD SARANT in Greenv/lch 
Village. It is noted that SAR/\NT v;as residing at 65 Morton 
Street at that time. HELENE ELITCHER recalled that when 
they arrived at SARANT ’s apartment they found he was asleep 
in bed but he got up, admitted them to his apartment, 
got dressed and entertained them with his guitar. She 
stated that they left his apartment quite late that night. 

Considering the location of PERL during September, 
19-44, it is recalled that he was then employed at the 
NlA.C.A. in Cleveland, Ohio; however, a revlcvj of the leave 
records of the Lev\ris Flight Propulsion Laboratory, N.A.C.A.i 
Cleveland, Ohio, by SA ANTHONY S. FERNANDEZ of the I 

Cleveland office revealed PERL was on leave on August * 

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It is considered possible that PERL came to New York City * 
during that week and if so v/ould have been available to 
attend the above dinner gathering. In this connection, 

PERL v/hen questioned concerning his v;hereabouts during the above 
v;eek accounted for the time as spent in Cleveland, Ohio, 
in fixing up the apartment at 1516 East 20th Street in 
anticipation of the arrival of HENRIETTA SAVIDGE. 

MX ELITCHER has recalled that MORTON SOBELL had 
told him that PERL had been transferred to Cleveland, Ohio, 
to assume a new position v/lth N.A.C.A. ELITCHER believed 
that it v;as probably In 19^4 or 1945> but could not recall 
exactly v;hen SOBELL told him this. He also advised that 
SOBELL had advised him that PERL was working on theoretical 
aerodynamic problems, v?lnd tunnels and so forth, and, 
according to SOBELL, PERL was not Involved in v/orking 
on actual mechanisms or airplanes, but devoted his time 
to working equations and developing theories on the basis 
of these equations. SOBELL also told him that PERL was 
progressing in his vjork for the National Advisory Commission 
in Cleveland and v;as vjorklng directly under the head of 
his particular unit. ELITCHER said that SOBELL had told 
him of PERL's transfer to Cleveland prior to the date of 
the dinner party of this group with JULIUS ROSENBERG at the 
Bird In Hand Restaurant In Nev; York City in September, 1944. 

VJith further reference to the association of PERL 
and MORTON SOBELL, ELITCHER and his wife both recalled a 
reference to a postcard v;hlch PERL 'nad sent to SOBELL some- 
time betv;een September, 1944, and October, 1948. MAX 
ELITCHER said that he did not see this postcard, but v;as 
told about it by SOBELL on one occasion when the latter 
visited ELITCIlER's home in VJashlngton, D. C. This visit 
occurred during the above period, exact date not recalled. 

SOBELL quoted a few lines from this card to ELITCHER at the 
time of this visit. ELITCHER said that this vjas not an 
ordinary postcard but was one which contained a double- 
meaning and had some off-color references . He recalled 
this specifically because SOBELL thought it v;a3 very 
funny and repeated a few lines from the card to him. 

EL|:TCHER further stated that SOBELL had kept him informed , 
of^ PERL's social life in Cleveland and had also told him that 
PERL was going with a girl there, name unkno'.vn, vjho v;as j 

very anxious to marry VJILLIAM PERL. PERL, vvhile involved ^ 

with her, vjas quite anxious to find a suitable reason for 
not marrying her. 


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Mill Restaurant 
Nevj York City 
Chris tme.s, 19^6 


It has been previously reported, according to 
information furnished by Mrs. ELITCHER, that she, her 
•husband, I-LIX, V/ILLIAM PERL, JOEL BARR, JULIUS ROSENBERG, 
MORTON and HELEN SOBELL had dinner at the Blue Mill 
Restaurant In Greenwich Village shortly after Christinas, 
19^6, and that after this dinner party all v;ent to the 
apartment of ALFFIED SARANT at 65 Morton Street, New York 
City, where they found a party in progress listening to 
recorded music in a darkened room. Thereafter, the group 
went to JULIUS ROSEiraERG ' s apartment in Knickerbocker 
Village, Nevj York City, where the group engaged in a 
discussion of the proper methods of rearing a child. 

Both MAX and HELENE ELITCHER have since stated 
that they were mistaken about this occasion that they did 
not go to SARANT ’s apartment from the Blue Mill Restaurant 
but v/ent directly to JULIUS ROSENBERG’S apartment in 
Knickerbocker Village. It is noted that previous 
investigation has revealed SA»RANT moved from 65 Morton 
Street, Nevi York City, to Ithaca, New York, in September, 

1945. 


The ELITCHERs now state that none of the above group 
v/ent to SARANT 'E after dinner at the Blue Mill that 
evening. It is their present recollection concerning this 
party at SARANT ’s v/hen recorded music v;as played in the 
darkened apartment that same occurred about January, 19 ^ 5 ^ 
or perhaps a fev; months thereafter. They now state that 
neither ROSENBERG, PERL, or SOBELL viere present. They novj 
recall that they were in Now York either for the day or 
for the v/eekend, made a phone call to JOEL BARR’S home, 
and learned he was residing with ALFRED SARANT In 
Greenvdeh Village. They then contacted BAPJl by phone at 
work, place not recalled, and he invited them to his and 
SARANT 's apartment at 65 Morton Street since a party was 
to, be held that night. V/hen they arrived they found the 
lights turned lovi and ever3'’one was listening to music 
emanating from a record player. V/hen the lights were i 

Idter turned on they did not recognize any of the people I 
present. HELENE ELITCHER recalled see In ALi-RED SARANT putting 
Vris arm around a girl ’.•.•oaring a pr.ln'.; ureas and ma’cing some 
remark to the effect e'lat she v;as his fut’ure wife. She also 
believed that this girl, identity unknown, v;aE showing off 
an engagement ring. 


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f since the SARANTs V'^cre married in July, 19^5/ and 
since they moved from this apartment at 65 Morton Street 
In September, 19^5> the ELITCHERs former re-collection of 
the time of the Incident as Christmas, 19^6, is obviously 
erroneous. However, if as presently recalled same occurred 
in January, 19^5» shortly thereafter their present 
recollection of the time of the event is corroborated 
so;.;cv;hat by information available from other sources. 

Concerning the events of the above cvenins, 
about Christmas, 1946, Mrs. ELITCHER now states that she 
and her husfand, MAX, were in New York City and by 
pre-arrangement met an individual whom she believed to be 
WILLIAr'l PERL outside of SARAKT's apartment house in 
Greenv;lch Village. It is noted that previous investigation 
has revealed that PERL vjas residing in SARANT's apartment 
at this time . Hov/ever, MX ELITCHJjlR is of the opinion 
that JULIUS ROSENBERG was the individual who met them 
outside the SARANT apartment. At any rate, PERI, (or 
ROSENBERG) told them at that time the others were in a 
restaurant around the corner and that he had awaited their 
arrival at SAIU^NT's apartment to save them ivalking several 
flights of stairs. MAX and HELET®ELITCHER, together with 
WILLIAM PERL (or JULIUS ROSENBERG) then went to the 
restaurant v^hlch HELENE ELITCHER described as the Blue 
Mill. The current Nevj York City Telep)^one Directory 
for the Borough of Manhattan lists a Blue Mill Tavern 
at 50 Commerce Street, Nev; York City, which is located 
in the Greenwich Village section. V/hen they arrived at 
the restaurant, they found JULIUS ROSENBERG, JOEL BARR, 
MORTON SOBELL and his wife, HELEN, already there. The 
ELITCHERs and PERL (or ROSENBERG) joined the others 
for dinner, 

Mrs. ELITCHER stated that they did not leave the 
restaurant until quite late in the evening since they had 
to wait a considerable length of time before they were 
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* The ELITCHERs now state that they, WILLIAM PERL, 
JOEL BARR, JULIUS ROSENBERG, MORTON and HELEN SOBELL then 
proceeded to ROSENBERG'S apartment. Mrs. ELITCHER said 
that it was either on that ni^ht that they v;ent to 
ROSENBERG'S apartment or possibly within a couple of days 
thereafter. She stated that upon arriving at ROSENBERG'S 
apartment, she was introduced to ETHEL ROSENBERG for the 
first time . ETHEL ROSENBERG was obviously pregnant on 
this occasion, according to Mrs. ELITCHER. 

It is noted that ROBERT ROSENBERG was born May 14, 
1947 , in New York City, according to the records of the 
Board of Health. This tends to verify HELENE ELITCHER 's 
recollection of the time of the visit as about Christmas, 
1946. She stated also that the ROSENBERG'S had a 
Christmas tree in their apartment and she indicated that 
this fact again substantiated her belief that the visit 
took place shortly after Christmas, 1946. Mrs. ELITCHER 
recalled that there was a rather lengthy discussion among 
the group that night on the manner of bringing up Jev;lsh 
children and also religious training for Jewish children 
and she recalled specifically that all of the married 
couples present were opposed in their beliefs to VJILLIAM 
PERL and JOEL BARR, both of whom were single. 

Both MAX and HELENE ELITCHER now state that they 
are sure that this visit to ROSENBERG'S apartment and 
the dinner at the Blue Mill Restaurant occui’red on the 
same night shortly after Christmas, 1946. 

However, considering that the dinner at the Blue 
Mill Restaurant and the visit to ROSENBERG'S apartment 
should not have occurred on the same evening, Mrs. 

ELITCHER is unable to recall any specific events of the 
evening prior to the time they ari’lvcd in ROSENBERG ' s 
apartment. She believed, however, that she and her 
husband, MAX, and their oldest child, KAREN, wore spending 
a day or two with her married slctcr, Mrs. MARGOLIES, 
who resided in Brooklyn, New York. Mrs. ELITCHER did not 
knew where she and MAX had dinner that evening if it was 
noA- at the Blue iUll Restaurant and could not say 
d^initcly v;hothor they had dinner with the SODKLLs, 

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had been tocethe-r at dinner or else had met at some 
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She stated that her daughter, KAREN, v/as born 
•May 29, 19^6, and recalled that on the v/ay to ROSENBERG'S 
apartment on the occasion of this visit she and her 
husband stopped in several drug stores endeavoring to 
purchase Even-Flovj baby bottles. She stated that they were 
unable to locate any Even-Flovj bottles until they tried 
a drug store near the corner of Monroe Street at 
Knickerbocker Village where ROSENBERG resided. They 
obtained the bottles at this drug store. 

V/ith further reference to the above evening, Mrs. 
ELITCIiER recalls v;alking along the street and talking with 
VJILLIAM PERL on the occasion .of one of the social evenings 
in Nevj York City. She is of the opinion that her conversa- 
tion vrlth PERL took place shortly after Christmas, 19^G, 
v/hen the above group v;as on the v/ay to ROSENBERG'S 
apartment in Knickerbocker Village . Concerning the 
conversation, she said PERL v;as very dejected at the time 
and said that he v/as lonesome. He told her cither that 
his girl friend or his v/lfe v;as in California and he 
felt bad because he could not be v/ith her. She v/as unable . 
to recall the name of PERL's girl friend or v/lfc but 
believes the name was mentioned during the course of the 
conversation. The name of HENRIETTA ( SAVIDGE ) v/as 
suggested to her but"* she shov/ed no sign of reco(.snition. 

Previous investigation in instant case has 
revealed that PERL resided in common-lav/ relationship, 
from 19^^ to 1946 in Cleveland, Ohio, and Pasadena, 
California, with HENRIETTA SAVIDGE and that in June of 
1946 they became estranged, PERL returning to Nev; York 
City to attend Columbia University and SAVIDGE returning 
to California until February, 1947* On this latter date, 
she returned to Nev; York City and resided In SARANT's 
apartment at 65 Morton Street v/hich was mtado available 
tc|'hcr through WILLIAM PERL. 

t The above tends to bear out HELENE ELITCHEH's 

statement she engaged PERL in conversation on the v/ay to 
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* MAX ELITCHER has stated that MORTON S03ELL told 
him on some unloiown date that PERL was attending Columbia 
University, Nevj York City, and vjas studying for a Ph.D 
degree in Engineering. ELITCHER also had been told by 
SOBELL that PERL vjas working for someone at Columbia 
University while studying there. He further stated that 
•he was quite sure that SOBELL had told him that PERL v;as 
attending Columbia University sometime subsequent to the 
occasion v;hen PERL, ROSEl'ffiERG, BARR, the SOBELLs and the 
ELITCHERs had dinner at the Blue Mill Restaurant in 
Greenv;ich Village around Christmas, 19^6. 

Previous investigation has reflected that PERL 
studied for his Doctorate at Columbia University from 
19^6 to 19 ^'B and that while there he viorked as an 
Assistant to Professor THEODORE von KARMEN. 

The above information appears to reflect that 
SOBELL and PERL had been in some degree of association 
during this period inasmuch as SOBELL knev; details of 
PERL's activities and w6uld appear to contradict PERL's 
previous statements concerning his association or lack 
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I II. ADDITIONAL INA-’ORMATICN RE A,S5.0CIATI0N 

OF PERL AND MORTON SOBELL 


With further reference to the alleged association 
betv;een PERL and MORTON SOBELL, v;hich the former has denied, 
attention is again directed to the letter, mentioned above, 
v/hich was forvjarded by PERL to his mother under date of 
February 4, 1940. This letter contains the sentence, 

"My friend came dovm from V/ashington (The boy v;ho ovms the 
drug store — Sobell) looking for a nev; job." 

Mrs. SARAH MUTTERPERL, subject's mother, adv^lsed that 
she does not know the identity of the person referred to as 
"Sobell" in the above letter, and does not remember if she 
knev/ him at the time of receipt of the letter ten years ago. 
She again explained that she docs not read or vrrile English 
vjell and that all her correspondence is handled through 
members of her family. She said that "Willie" has alvjays 
written to her personally because "he is a good boy" and 
she has the correspondence read to her by someone else. 


Mrs. ANKTS BLUI'l, subject's sister, v;ho with her 
husband, JOSEPH P. BLUM, made the above letter available to 
this office, has been questioned concerning the identity of 
"Sobell" in the above letter and she stated she did not know 
him. She recalled at the time of the newspaper publicity 
concerning SOBELL and at the time she and her husband v/ere 
interviev;ed by Bureau Agents (July 26, 1950) she discussed 
SOBELL v/ith her husband and her mother, Mrs. SARAH MUTTERPERL, 
but neither of them remembered him. She again stated that 
most of VJILLIE's correspondence to the family in Nev; York is 
addressed to his mother, although she cannot read it. She 
said these letters are always read to her by someone else, 
and are concerned with various members of the family as 
well as Mrs. MUTTERPERL. 


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It should be noted vilth reference to the v.'ords 
"drug store" that the records of Confidential Informant T-1, 
of knov.-n reliability, reflect MORTON SOBELL’ o father, LOUIS 
SOBELL, received a B.S. degree in Civil Engineering from 
tha' Cooper Union Institute, New York City, in 1915> and a 
Phi G degree from Columbia University in 1923 • From 1923 
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at Ihe Elder Drug Company, 1519 V/estchester Avenue, Bronx, 
NevrYork, and from May, 1926, to August, 19^0, he operated 
his ovm business at 555 VJestchester Avenue, Nev; York City. 
Confidential Informant T-1 advised this business v;as a 
drug store v;hich LOUIS SOBELL lost to his creditors in 
October, 19^^0. The stock of the store was purchased from 
creditors in November, 19^1 ^ by one, A. DUBINBAUM, 2l60 
Holland Avenue, Bronx, New York. 


From the above it is evident that at the time PERL 
v/rote to his mother in February, 19^0, and referred to his 
friend "(the boy vjho ovms the drug store — Sobell)", MORTON 
SOBELL' s father did In fact ovm a drug store in the Bronx. 


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A handwriting examination by the FBI Laboratory 
reveals that the handv/rlting on PERL's letter dated February 
4, 1940, was in fact written by WILLIAM PERL. 


Further, according to the records of Confidential 
Informant T-1, LOUIS SOBELL and his family resided at 646 
St. Ann's Avenue, Bronx, from June, 1931 » to August, 1940, 
at which time LOUIS SOBELL moved to Philadelphia, Pa., to 
take up employment at the Philadelphia Navy Yard as an 
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It is noted that the address 555 Westchester Avenue 
is located at the intersection of Westchester Avenue and 
St. Ann's Avenue, Bronx, and the address 646 St. Ann's 
Avenue is located approximately 1/2 block north of this 
intersection. 


Considering the location of the SOBELL drug store 
at 555 Westchester Avenue, Bronx, Kev; York, v;ith respect to 
PERL's residence in 1938 and 1939 at 834 Beck Street, 

Bronx, reference to a street map of the Bronx reflects that 
PERL's residence was located ten to fifteen blocks north 
and east of the drug store and can hardly be considered In 
the same immediate vicinity. Likev;ise, PERL’s later address 
at 936 Tiffany Street, Bronx, is still farther north by 
three or four blocks than the Bec’x Street residence. 




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The follov;in,s investigation v;as conducted to determine 
if MORTON SOBELL worked for his father at the above drug 
store ; 


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The records of the Naval Records Management Ociiter, 
Mcchanicsburgj Penna., reflect that MORTON SOBELL submitted 
the following background in connection vjlth his Navy 
employment in 1939 to 1941. He vjas born April 11, 1917> 
at Nevj York City, attended City College of Nev; York from 
1934 to 1938 v/hen he received a Bachelor of Electrical 
Engineering degree. Under Previous Employmentc, he listed 
the follovjlng: 

Summers, 1934 to 1937 - Wingdale Corp., VJingdale, New York, 
as a maintenance man. 

July, 1938 ^ to September, 1938 - Same. 

November, 1933, to December, 1938 - Davega City Radio, 

Port of Authority Building, Nev; York City, as a 
maintenance man. 

January, 1939/ to October 1, 1941 - Bureau of Ordinance, 
Navy Department, l/ashington, D.C., as a Junior 
Electrical Engineer and as an Assistant Electrical 
Engineer . 

October, 1941 - Resigned employment at Navy Department to 
obtain Masters Degree at University of Michigan. 

According to the above record, SOBELL listed as 
references, among others, V.'ILLIAM MUTTERPERL, Electrical 
Engineer, 197 Melrose Avenue, Hampton, Virginia, and 
MAX ELITCHER, Electrical Engineer, 2225 N. Street, N.W., 
Washington, D.C. 

MAX ELITCHER hao stated he recalls while in College 
( 1934 - 1938 ) MORTON SOBELL 's father either worked in or ovmed 
a drug store in the Bronx. He \.’as never in the drug store 
himself and does not know its location; hovv’cvcr, v;hen he 
and SOBELL v/ere in Washington, he recalls SOBELL mentioning 
his father's drug store and vaguely recalls conversations 
which indicated that SOBELL had frequented the place but 
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ELITCHER recalls definitely that SODELL worked as a 
maintenance man at Camp VJingdale during at least one whole 
Dumiiier and possibly more durlno; their school years. It is 
noted that Camp Wingdale v;as operated by SOjlELL’s maternal 
uncle, LOUIE PASTERKAK; however, subsequent to graduation, 
ELITCIIER was quite sure SOBELL had not returned to Camp 
VJlngdale and had not worked for his father in the drug store 
since he v;as then employed by the Bureau of Ordinance, 

Navy Department in Ivashington . 


Mr. HUSS, ov/ner of the building at 646 St. Ann's 
Avenue, Bronx, since 1932 and SOBELL 's former landlord, 
advised that the SOBELLs lived in the building for several 
years prior to 1940 and that he recalled LOUIS SOBELL ovmed 
the drug store at biestchester Avenue and St. Ann'n Avenue 
during this period. He recalled MORTON SOBELL very well 
during the latter's high school and college days and 
stated that while he frequented LOUIS SOBELL' s drug store 
several times per vjeek during this period he does not recall 
MORTON being employed there. He recalled seeing MORTON 
SOBELL in his father's drug store on several occasions 
but stated he was not vjorklng there, but merely had stopped 
in to see his father. He recalled further that MORTON, 
as v/ell as other members of the SOBELL family, used to go 
to some Communist summer camp in upstate New York and that 
MORTON SOBELL worked there several summers. 


Mr. NOAH RICHMOl®, 3135 Godwin Terrace, Bronx, New 
York, currently employed by the Commerce Drug Company, 

505 Court Street, Brooklyn, New York, advised lie formerly 
v;as cm)jloyed as a drug salesman by Noi-wich Drug Company and 
in such capacity made business calls to LOUIS SOBELL 's 
drug store during the 1930 's once or twice per month. He 
recalled LOUIS SOBELL kept copies of the "Daily Uorker", an 
east coast Communist newspaper, in the store. Ho said he 
v;as sure MORTON SODELL did not work for his father in this 
business, but that the latter had several other Individuals 
employed as clerks at various tines. 


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1 V/lth further reference to SOBELL's listing of WILLIAM I 
MUTTERPERL, 197 Melrose Avenue, Hampton, Vlrcinia, as a 
reference at the above employment, attention is directed to 
the correspondence from PERL to his family In New York City 
which v/as made available to this office by the BLUMs. It 
is therein noted that on November 1, 1939, PERL addressed 
a letter to "Dear Ann and Joe" (BLUM) which reflects a 
return address for PERL as 197 Melrose Avenue, Hampton, 
Vlrelnia. A postscript to this letter reads, "PSS - Note 
my nev; address. I’ve moved again." Thereafter, PERL 
directed correspondence to the BLUHs on November 27, 1939, 
December 10, 1939> July 1, 19^1 -Oj March l6, 19^1 ^ showing the 
Melrose Avenue return address. Several additional pieces 
of correspondence vjcre received bearing no return address 
until February 1, 19^2, v/ben the return address was 1258 
Ferguson Avenue, Newport News, Virginia. 

Prom the above, it is apparent PERL VJas residing at 
197 Melrose Avenue, Hampton, Virginia, during at least a 
portion of the time SOBELI, v.’as employed by the Bureau of 
Ordinance, Navy Department, Washington, D.C., from 
January, 1939> to October, 19^1 > <ind that SOBELL vjas avrare 
of his correct address. 

Attention is directed in this connection to informa- 
tion previously reported as received from MAX ELITCHER that 
SOBELL and PERL v;ore in contact during this period and that 
SCBELL had visited PERL in Virginia and described PERL's 
residence there as in a private home located in the suburbs; 
likewise, that PERL visited SOBELL and ELITCHTLR in Washington 
betv;een April, 1939> and April, 19^0. 

The above correspondence of PERL as received from 
the BLUMs also contains a letter dated October 19^^1# 
from PERL to "Dear Anne, Joe, Eleanor, and Bobby" (Blum). 

This letter reads in part as follows; 

"A friend of mine just quit his $2600 a year ,iob 
to go back to school and study radio. Not a bad idea in 
the long run." 

I MAX ELITCHER advised that MORTON SOBELL resigned his i 
position at the Bureau of Ordinance, Navy Department, in 1 

September, 19^1, in order to attend the University of I 

Michigan to study electronics. SOBELL v;as earning $2600 
per year at the time he resigned, according to ELITCHER. 


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Miss MAYI® SK'ISI-IER, Receptionist^ Alumni Catalogue 
Office, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, advised 
SA ROBERT L. MAYFIELD of the Detroit office that according 
to her records MORTON SODELL entered the University in 
September, 19^1, and attended until May, 19^2, i-.'hen he 
.received the degree of Master of Science In Electrical 
Engineering. 


The Selective Service file of MORTON SOBELL, 
maintained at the District of Columbia Selective Service 
System, 1901 D Street, N.V.'., Washington, D.C., contains, 
among other things, a letter vsrritten by SOBELL to the 
Board under date of October 6, 19^1 < changing his address 
to 612 East Madison Street, Ann Arbor, Michigan. In this 
letter, SOBELL advised the Board ho had resigned his position 
at the Navy Department and ivao taking a course in Radio 
Engineering. 

Also in the above file vjas a letter dated October 
6, 1941, from BENJAMIN F. BAILEY, Head of the Department 
of Electrical Engineering, University of Michigan, to 
C. S.YOKUM, Dean of the Graduate School, concerning SOBELL 's 
draft status, vjhlch stated SOBELL v/as taking graduate vjork 
in Electrical Engineering, specializing In Radio, and that 
National Defense v/ould be better served if he vjere allowed 
to finish his v.’ork. ’ 


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Likewise, tlie personnel file of MORTON SOBELL, as 
maintained by Mr.R, E. RUGEH, Supervisor of Employment, 
Schenectady b'orks, General Electric Company, Schenectady, 
New York, reflects that SOBELL submitted infoi’mation that 
from January, 1939^ to September, 1941, he vjoi’ked for the 
Navy Department, Bureau of Ordinance, at an annual salary 
of $2600. He left this employment to attend the University 
of Michigan. SOBELL VMorked for General Electric from 
June 15 , 1942 , to Jvmc 13, 1947, according to his file. 


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Mr. E. A. HILBERT, Director of Personnel, 

Aeronautics and Ordinance Systems Division, Building 28, 

Room 411, General Electric Company, advised that, his file 
oniMORTON SOBELL contained, among otlier things, an undated 4 
U.i. Navy form, v;hlch had been completed by SOBELL in | ^ 

connection v;ith his request for certification and credential^ p 

to ‘work on U.S. Navy contracts. This form lists as rercronces:. , 


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1. ^JILLIAM DANZIGER, 2270 Belmont Avenue, Lon" Beach 4, 

California, an electrical engineer, knovm to SOBELL 
for tv;elve years . 

2. FiAX ELITCHER, 24? Delaware Avenue, S.VJ,, V/ashington 
4, D.C., an electrical engineer, knovm to SOBELL for 
eleven years. 

3. VJILLIAH MUTTERPERL, l6808 Madison Avenue, Cleveland, 
Ohio, an aero engineer, kniovm to SOBELL for the past 
eight years. 

As to the probable date of completion of the above 
undated form, Mr. ALBERT M. DEMOHT, Administrative 
Assistant to the Manager, Aeronautics and Ordinance Systems 
Division, General Electric Company, advised from his records 
that SOBELL received a Certificate of Identification and 
necessary clearance from the U.S. Navy to work on Navy 
contracts and for access to Naval facilities on June 24, 
1944 , and from his records it could be assumed that SOBELL 
prepared this form sometime in May, 1944. 

Further, concerning this date, PERL's P.S.Q. form 
completed l!ovc::)bcr I 8 , 1949> in connection v;ith his employ- 
ment by the N.A.C.A. reflects under Previous Addresses that 
he resided during 1944 only at I 6808 Madison Avenue, ^ . 

Cleveland, Ohio, the address submitted by SOBELL. 

From the above, it is apparent that in 1944 SOBELL 
knevi PERL's correct address in Cleveland, Ohio, although 
PERL has denied any association with him at that time. On 
August 18 , 1930 , PERL was questioned concerning the 
appearance of his name on the above form submitted by SOBELL 
in 1944 to vjhlch he v;ould ansvjer only "This is nev;G--I 
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\ III. INTERVIEW OP RUTH ALSCHE R 


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As stated above by KAX and !IELEn5' ELITCHE.R, Mrs. 
RUTH ALSCHER, tho sister-in-law of V:j\X FLITCrlER, vras present- 
with ROSFHBERG, PERL and others at dinner at the Bird-in- 
Hand Restaurant, New York City, in September 19M4.* 

T-’rs. RUTH ALSCHER, -adison Avenue, New York 

City, -was contacted on January lO, 1951 by SA VINCENT J, 
CAHILL, who attempted to arrange a suitable appointment for 
an interview, Mrs, ALSCHER stated that her husband MORRIS 
ALSCHER recently died and that she is just recovering from 
the blow; that she has three young children to care for in 
addition to going to business to support them, and that she 
was completely occupied novj and had absolutely no intention 
of becoming involved in anything. She I’afusod to be inter- 
vlex-ied by the FBI and v/anted to bo left alone t^ bring up 
her family. She stated she never know anyone named JULIUS 
ROSENBERG and refused to malcc ony appointment for further 
interview. 


On January 31 » 195lj RUTH ALSCHER appeared under 
subpoena for Grand Jury in the office of Chief Assistant 
United States Attorney T-Tyles J. Lane, Southern District of 
New York, At his request, a further attempt was made to 
interview Mrs. ALSCHER prior to her appearance before the 
Grand Jury, On this date she advised SA CAHILL that she 
was unable to recall ever having been present at the Bird- 
jn-Hand Restaurant, New York City, with hex'* brother-in-law, 
MAX ELITCHER, and others, Sbe fxxrther denied acquaintance 
with VILLIAJl PERL, JUT.IUS ROSENBERG, and tho other indivi- 
duals mentioned in this case with the exception of MORTON 
SOBELL, whom she stated she recalled meeting nine or ten 
years ago at somebody’s opartment in the Bronx, She could 
recall no details of her original acquaintance XAjith SOBELL, 
whom she stated she had not seen since that time. 


Mrs, ALSCHER appeared before the Federal Grand 
Jury, Southern District of New York on January 3^ # 1951* 


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I IV. IMFORmTION RE *'SHIP INCIDENT" - VIVIAH CLASSMAN 

It Is recalled that durlnc the interview of VIVIAN 
GLASS^^AN, August 3, 1950> by acents of the Nev; York office, 
previously reported in this Investigation, she advised 
concerning her receipt of Instructions from a "stranger" 

.to make a trip to Cleveland, Ohio, to visit her friend, an 
’ aercnautical engineer who v/as interested in her sister. 

She stated she had assumed "the stranger" v.’as referring to 
her sister, ELEANOR, who was very fond of WILLIAM PERL 
since PERL was the only aeronautical engineer in Cleveland 
v/ith whom she was acquainted. While giving these 
Instructions, "the stranger" asked her if she knev; 

"John" and v;hen she replied in the negative ho made a 
reference to JOEL BARR who vjas her former fiance. By 
way of identifying himself to her, "the stranger" said 
that at one time ho was going to help BARR go to Europe. 

It is further noted that during an intervlev/ w’ith the 
subject, V.'ILLIAM PERL, by agents of the Cleveland office 
on July 26, 1950, PERL stated that when VIVIAN GL/iSSMAN 
visited him in his apartment on Sunday, July 23, 1950, 
she transmitted the above instructions to him by vjritlng 
on a pad of paper. At the time, according to PERL, she 
v;roto something about a ship incident concerning herself 
and JOEL BARR. PERL advised her reference to the ship 
incident as well as much else she v;rotc had no particular 
meaning for him. 

V/ith further reference to the ship incident, 

VIVIAN GLASSriAN during the above mentioned lntcrvicv\' also 
stated she could not recall writing any instructions to 
PERL in Cleveland concerning a ship incident and 
explained that the only m>atter of this nature she could 
recall concerning her former finance, JOEL BARR, and 
herself was that vjhcn BARR was planning to go to Pi'ance 
to study in 19^7. she also planned to go to Franco for 
that purpose. She had reservations on one steamship and 
BARR had reservations on another. VJhon BARR learned that 
CLASSMAN was going to France, he changed his reservation 
to the ship on which she had her reservation. CLASSMAN 
said she thought BARR was going to marry her, but that 
hfc had not done so by sailing time, January 21, 19^°, 
sp she cancelled her reservation and they had personal ; 
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wit» BARR since he vjent to Europe and she docs not knov; 
hls*present whereabouts or activities. 

Attention is also directed to infornatlon received 
from WILLIAM PERL on September 12, 1950, durinc an 
interview with SA. RICHARD T. HRADSICZ and the reportins 
.•agent to the effect that he accompanied JOEL BAHIi and 
BARR'S mother and sister to the Hudson River pier on 
January 21, 19^8, and that they v^atched JOEL BARR embark 
and sail from New York destined to Pa.ris, France, PERL 
said the group did not board the SS "Ar-ERICA" but remained 
on the dock and that he did not see VIVIAN CLASSMAN there 
that day and did not knovj if she came to see BARR sail . 

PERL stated BARR said he vjas going to Paris to continue his 
studies in ensineoring and that he knows of no other reason 
for BARR'S going to France. PERL did not knov; if BARR 
had ever given VIVIAN GLASSMTiN an engagement ring or v;hy 
BARR and CLASSMAN had broken their rc?lations, nor did he 
know if VIVIAN CLASSMAN intended to join BARR in Paris, 
or sail v/ith him in 19^8, 

It is noted that BARR's last knov/n address vjas in 
Paris, France, and that his present v/heroabouts is unknown. 

JOSEPH MEAGHER, Accounting Department, U.S. 

Lines, 1 Broadway, Nev'j York City, advised SA V/ALTER C. 
ROETTING from his records that VIVIAN GL/iSSMAN made a 
reservation on January 5> 19^8 through a local travel 
agent to sail on the SS "AMERICA" leaving New York 
January 21, 19^8, with tourist accommodation E-19i Bod 4. 
There vjas also an open return booking for her on the 
SS "AliERICA" sailing June 11, 1948, from Cherbourg, Prance. 
However, the records reflected a refund for the above 
reservation was issued to VIVIAN CLASSMAN by the U. S. 

Lines on March 5, 1948. 

An examination of the list of tourist class 
passengers calling on the above ship on January 21, 1948, 
reflected the names of both GLASSf'L'.K and JOEL BARR; however, 
the Birthing List revealed that VIVIAN CLASSMi/iR did not 
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th^ JOEL BARR, 24l West 97th Street, New York City, actually] 
samed on that date. A notation on the list reflects that i 
JOEl BARR was originally scheduled to sail on the SS ’ 

"ERNIE PYLE" on January 8, 1948, which reservation was 
later cancelled and the money applied to BARR's booking on 
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IlITEnVIEW OP ELEANOR CLASSMAN 


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Street, Mev; 
SAS RICHARD 
C! ployoci ■ as 


October 25 , 1950, 
York City, sister 
T. HRADSKY and 
a social service 


ELEANOR CLASSMAN, 3^3 East 8 th 
of VIVIAN CLASSMAN, advised 
F. ROYAL that she v;as 
vjorker at the Beth Israel 


ROBERT 


Hospital, ITth Street and Stuyvosant Park, Mevj Y’ork City. 

'She stated that her sister, VIVIAN, had informed her sometime 
in Au 3 ust, 1950 , that she had been called to testify before 
a Federal Grand Jury concerning some people v.'hom she knevj 
but that VIVIAN vjould not tell her who she had 
to testify about or v;hy the FBI had questioned 
stated that VIVIAN v;as emotionally 

been interrocated by the FBI but that VIVI/iN had stated that 
she did not wish to discuss the matter with 
did not press VIVIAN to confide In her, 
latter part of August, 1950, ELEANOR received 
a letter from WILLIAM PERL lnformin .3 her that he v;as planning: 
to move to Nev; York City 


been called 
her . ELEANOR 
that she had 


anyone so she 
How’ever, in the 


September and that he v;ould contact her 
Nev; York City. 


he v;as 
Cleveland, Ohio, early 
upon 


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ELEANOR CLASSM/iN received no telephone call from 
PERL as of about the 15th of September, 1950,hoivever, and 
decided to call PERL’s home in the Bronx to inquire if he 
was then in Nev; York City, She obtained PERL's mother's 
telephone number from the Bronx, Now York, Telephone 
Directory and called her to ascertain if PERL had arrived 
in New York City. PERL v;as not at home and ELEANOR left her 
name v;ith a request that PERL call her. 


ELEANOR GLASSI'L'd''! stated that PERL telephoned her 
the next day and mentioned that he was bein^ investicated 
by the FBI and she told him that she had not yet been 
Intcrvievjed . Ho told her to expect a visit from the FBI 
because of her acquaintance with him. 


ELEANOR GLASSM/'iN denied that She was Given any 
details of the nature of the Investigation of PERL or that 
he had instructed her to deny any knov/lodGC of his 
activities. She stated that she received a telephone call 
a ,day or so later at her home from a Mr. RAY’MOND WISE, 
vjMo identified himself as PERL's attorney, who asked 

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herjif she had any information concerning the trip that 
VIv|an took to Cleveland In July, 1950> to visit PERL. She 
advfsed V/ISE that she did not know VIVIAN had been to see 
PERL and VilSE invited her to come to his office that day 
as PERL v;ould be there and they could discuss the matter. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN appeared at V/ISE‘s office and met 
PERL, at which time V/ISE related the event of VIVIAN'S 
mission to PERL. ELEANOR said she v;as unable to offer any 
information concerning VIVIAN'S trip to V/ISE, but that she 
subsequently conferred v;lth VIVIAN and VIVIAN acknowledged 
that she had made the trip at the request of a man v;hom she 
did not Icnov; and, therefore, could not identify, but that 
she declined to discuss the relationship of her Cleveland 
trip to the FBI Investigation. 

ELEANOR GLASSI#iN Stated that she received one 
telephone call of a social nature from PERL thereafter and 
had a date with PERL the latter part of September or early 
in October, 1950> at which time PERL told her that he was 
keeping company with a girl in New York City vihom he had 
formerly been acquainted with, and that he planned to 
marry her. She has not seen PERL since he told her about 
this girl wl'jcm he did not identify to ELEANOR. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN did not recall PERL discussing 
the FBI check on his loyalty as a Government employee during 
his visit to her apartment in April, 1950, and denied that 
he had told her what ansviers to give to questions concerning 
him if she should be interrogated about his activities. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN advised that she met WILLIAM 
PERL as a casual acquaintance during Christmas v;eek, 19^i9> 
in a bar and restaurant near Charles Street in Greenvjich 
Village, New York City. She stated she was with several 
girl friends and PERL was sitting at the bar next to her 
and they began conversing. V/hen PERL learned her name X7as 
CLASSMAN he told her he once knew a VIVIAN GLAS.SMAN and 
ELEANOR advised that VIVIAN v/as her sister. PERL took her 
home that evening to 3^3 East 8th Street, Nev; York City, 
and ELEANOR did not see him again until Easter week, 

April, 1950 . She v;as certain she had not seen him betv;een 
Chflstmas, 19^9, and April, 1950, and that she had not 


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r^eived a telephone call from PERL in January or February ^ j 
1^0. She recalled receiving several letters from PERL i 
between January and April, 1950, and stated that she had 
written to him inviting him to New York City during Easter 
week as she was vacationing that week. 

PERL arrived in Nev; York City and telephoned her 
at her home during the evening hours and ELEANOR CLASSMAN 
met him near Pennsylvania Railroad Station. They v;ent to 
a nearby restaurant for a short time and then v;ent to the 
Stabler Hotel, where PERL registered for a room. She and 
PERL then walked to the Pennsylvania Railroad Station v;here 
PERL obtained his suitcase and they returned to the 
Stabler Hotel to place PERL's suitcase in his room. V/hlle 
they were in the room the hotel desk called to Inform PERL 
that he could not entertain ELEANOR in his room and they then 
went to her apartment. 

PERL checked out of the Stabler Hotel the follov;lng 
day and stayed at ELEANOR’S apartment at 3^i-3 East 8th Street, 
Nev; York City, for the rest of the week. He then returned 
to Cleveland, Ohio, and ELEANOR GLASSiyiAN did not see him 
again until she met him at his attorney's office in 
September, 1950. 

ELEANOR CLASSMAN Stated that PERL met her sisters, 
VIVIAN and GLADYS; at her apartment but she did not recall 
PERL discussing an FBI investigation of his loyalty as a 
Government employee v;ith them. 

ELEANOR GLASSMAN stated that the correspondence 
from PERL had been destroyed and that the only recollection x 
she has of any plans or Intentions of PERL mentioned in 
the letters was that he was going to the State of VJashington 
on business for his employer. She did not know if PERL 
had ever made this trip to VJashington State. 

Concerning JULIUS and ETHEL ROSEInJBERG, ELEANOR 
GLASSMAN stated that the ROSENDERGs v/ere not friends of 
hers but that she v;as not certain that she had or had not 
ever met them and could not say definitely that she had 
br had not, as she had casually mot some friends of 
l/IVIAN. She stated that she and her sisters do not travel* 



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infthe same social circles but occasionally meet each others | 
fronds and that she may have possibly net the ROSENBERGs | 
but could not recall having done so. She could not recall 
having ever visited anyone at 10 Honroe Street, Nevj York 
City, the residence of the ROSENBERGs, or that the 
ROSENBERGs were ever In the apartment at 3^3 East 8th 
Street, Nev; York City. 

ELEANOR GLASSI-iAN stated she had visited VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN at 13 I East 7th Street, New York City, on numerous 
occasions but does not recall meeting anyone there. VRien 
shown a group of photographs of individuals knevm to have 
been associated with VIVIAN CLASSMAN to determine if 
ELEANOR had ever met any of them, v;hlch group included 
photographs of JULIUS and ETHEL R0SE1^^3ERG and DAVID 
GREENGLASS, ad)nltted Soviet agent, and his wife, RUTH 
GREENGLASS, ELEANOR advised that JOEL BARR, ALFRED SARANT, 
ERIEilST PATAKI and V/ILLIAM PERL v/ere the only persons she 
had ever met and that she did not recognize any of the 
others . 

ELEANOR GLASSW.N advised that she was acquainted 
v;lth ALFRED SARANT but has not seen him since about 19^3* 

She met him In 19^2 or 19^3 at 320 Ocean Avenue, Long 
Branch, Nev; Jersey, where she was residing v;ith several 
other girls and her sister, VIVIAN. She and VIVIAN viere 
then employed by the United States Army Signal Corps at 
Port Monmouth, Nev; Jersey, as Junior Inspectors of Signal 
Corps procured equipment. SARANT was a 'friend of one of the 
girls named ALICE KATZ and ELEANOR CLASSMAN met him during 
one of his visits. ELEANOR did not know where .SARANT 
was employed but believed that he was an engineer. ELEANOR \ 
CLASSMAN stated she resigned at Port Monmouth in December, 
19 ^ 3 , and has not seen SARANT since leaving t!io Signal 
Corps . 

ELEANOR GLASSMAN advised that she was a member 
of the United Public Workers of Amei’lca while she v/as 
employed at Fort Monmouth, Nev; Jersey, but that she held 
no office in the union. She could not remember if her 
sister, VIVIAN, v;ar. an officer of the UPV.'A. She is nov; a 
member of the Social Service Employees* Union, Local I 9 , 
and has been employed at the Beth Israel Hospital since < 
May 8, 1950 , as a Social Service v;orker. I 


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ELEANOR ’GLASSMN professed no knowledge of VIVIAN j 
Sr-lAN’s relationship to ALFRED SARANT and did not recall | 
VIVIAN ever owned a typewriter and did not know If ’ 


VIVIAN had ever done any typing work for SARANT. 


Concerning JOEL BARR, ELEANOR CLASSMAN advised that 
she not BARR through VIVIAN, probably sometime in 19^^* She 
•stated that he was knov/n to her to be an electrical engineer 
but she knows nothing about his activities. She stated she 
did not know where VIVIAN met BARR or v;hen, but recalled 
that VIVIAN v;as keeping company v;lth BARR in about 1944, 

She stated she did not recall meeting BARR at 320 Ocean 
Avenue, Long Branch, Nev/ Jersey, and did not know where 
BARR was employed. She placed the time of the disagreement 
betvjeen JOEL BARR and VIVIAN CLASSMAN, the reason for 
v/hlch v;as unknown to her, as about 1946 and stated she 
believed that after about a year's separation BARR and 
VIVIAN reconciled their differences and sav; each other 
occasionally. She stated VIVIAN Informed her that BARR 
sailed to Paris, France, to attend school there about tv;o 
years ago and she did not know if VIVIAN had had any 
correspondence v/ith him since he left. 


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ELEANOR GLASSIiAN stated she did not see BARR sail 
from New York and that she had never been in BARR's apart- 
ment at 65 Morton Street, Nevj York City. 


ELEANOR CLASSMAN professed to know nothing about ’ * 
ERNEST PATAKI other than that he was VIVIAN'S current * 
boy friend and was an electrical engineer. She stated she , 
was not at present a Communist Party member and had never f 
belonged to the Communist Party. She claimed not to Imov; ^ ' 
if VIVIAN was or is a Communist Party member. . » 


The Administrative files of the United States Arm: 
Signal Corps Installation In Monmouth County, New Jersey, 
reflect that ELEANOR CLASSMN resided at 219 East 7th 
Street, New York City, from April, 1937> to September, 

1940, at v.’hich time she moved to 343 East 8th Street, 

New York City. She vjas employed by the United States 
Army Signal Corps at Camp Coles, Monjnouth County, Nevj Jersey 
as a Junior Professional Assistant, and at Port Monmouth, 
N^vj Jersey, from June 1, 1942, to December 29, 1943* Durlnj 


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1 thlf employment she resided at 47 Madison Avenue, Long 1 

Branch, Mev; Jersey, and at 48 North Broadway, Long Branch, * 
Nevj Jersey, She was born April 30 , 1921, in Nevj York City 
of Russian extraction, daughter of SAMUEL CLASSMAN, deceased) 
and SADIE HOROWITZ. She listed her sisters as GLADYS and 
VIVIAN CLASSMAN and HORTENSE SKOLNICK, housewife. She 
was formerly employed at the Spencer Secretarial School, 

Nev; York City; by A. Finkelberg and Sons, Third Avenue 
and 124th Street, Nev; York City, as a typist; and at 
Brooklyn College, Brooklyn, New York, as a clerk in the 
Registrar’s Office. She attended Hunter College, New York 
City, from 1936 to 19^0, B.A. degree, and did graduate work 
i at Broolclyn College and Columbia University^ New York City._ 



Confidential Informant T-S , of knov;n reliability, 
advised on October 12, 19^3> that ELEANOR CLASSMAN v;as a 
member of the Negotiating Committee and the Program Committee 
of the Monmouth County Chapter of the United Federal 
VJorkers of America. 

Confidential Informant T-^ , of known reliability, \ 

advised that ELEANOR CLASSMAN was present at an Executive 
Board meeting of the United Federal V/orkers of America, 
held at 320 Ocean Avenue, Long Branch, New Jersey, at 
v/hlch unadulterated Marxist principles vjere discussed with 
approval. At this meeting, according to the informant, the 
group decided that there should be complete Govei'nment 
ownership of property and machinery and that the United States 
Government should be organized into one great Bureaucracy 
under control of a president and a group of subordinate 
dlf'ectors . 


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INTERVIEW OF MILTON CLASSMAN 


' MILTON CLASSMAN, 108 Seventh Avenue South, Nevj Yoric 

City, brother of VIVIAN and ELEANOR CLASSMAN, advised SAS 
RICKi\RD T. HRADSKY and ROBERT P. ROYAL upon Interview 
that VIVIAN CLASSMAN had not informed him of the reason for 
FBI investlf'atlon of her. He stated she advised him 
sometime in Ausust, 1950, that she v/as very upset over a 
recent FBI interrogation and because she had received a 
summons to appear before a Federal Grand Jury, as a v/itness, 
as she v;as acquainted v;ith someone that the FBI was 
interested in. He stated that she refused to explain 
the nature of her distress to him when he asked. She stated 
he did not Icnow the people she Imevj and that if she informed 
him he mipjht have to ansv/er FBI questions. 

MILTON CLASSMAN advised that he and VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN have individual apartments as he lives at his 
business address, Allied Industrial Studio, 108 Seventh 
Avenue South, New York City, and VIVIAN CLASSMAN lives at 
131 East 7th Street, Nev; York City, and that his sisters, 
ELEANOR and GLADYS CLASSMAN, reside together at 3^3 
East 8th Street, New York City, and that while they visit 
each other they do not have the same circle of friends. 

He claimed that the Identities of VIVIAN'S friends vjore 
unknown to him but recalled meeting JOEL BAPIR, her former 
fiance, and knows ERNEST PATAKI. He stated that JOEL BARR 
v;as an electrical engineer but that he Imevj nothing else 
about him other than that he v;as an arrogant individual 
and that he exercised considerable influence over VIVIAN 
CLASSMAN and used to order her to do tlungs for him. He 
explained that he heard BARR, while visiting VIVIAN 
GLASSrmN at 3^3 East 8th Street, New York City, direct her 
to go to the store for him and to run out for cigarettes 
ii;hlle BARR lounged In a chair and that he took an Intense 
dislike to DARR. 

MILTON CLASSMAN stated that VIVIAN and JOEL 
BARR eventually broke off relations v;lth each other and 
VIVIAN had told lilm BARR had sailed for Franco sometime 
in 19^^8 for further study in his profession of electrical 
engineering. 


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i MILTON OLASSI-LW did not know where VIVIAl^ GLASSMAK} 

JOEL BARR but believes she vjas coins with BARR in 19^5- I 
,6, He did not know where BARR resided cind had never 
been to BARR's apartment at 65 Morton Street, New York City. 

When shown a c^oup of photographs of individuals 
kjiown to be acquainted v;lth VIVIAN CLASSMAN to determine 
if MILTON CLASSMAN recosnized any of them as persons that 
he had met, MILTON advised that the photograph of JOEL 
BARR was the only one that he could Identify and that he 
did not believe he had ever seen any of the others. 

MILTON GLASSMiiN advised that he was never a member 
of the Communist Party although he had read some Marxist 
theory and that he did not believe in Communism. He stated 
he did not know if VIVIAN CLASSMAN vjas a Communist Party 
member, but that it v;ould not surprise him if she v;as as she 
has a library full of Marxist books. 

MILTON CLASSMAN advised that he had never met 
JULIUS or ETHEL ROSENBERG and that VIVIAN CLASSMAN had never 
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Previous investigation in this case has revealed that 
the subject's brother, SAMUEL PERL, is nov7 residing in 
Prance vjhere he is studying music . 


Confidential Informant T- 5 # of knovm reliability, 
has advised that SAMUEL PERL told him of the receipt of 
a letter from his brother, VJILLIAM PERL, on April 2S, 

1950 , in vjhich it v;as indicated that during an Atomic 
Energy Act investigation by the FBI allegations v.'cre made 
that he, WILLIAM PERL, had associated with Communists, 
Including JOEL BARR and ALFRED SARAKT. At that time, 

UILLIAiM PERL was employed by the National Advisory 
Committee for Aeronautics in Cleveland, Ohio. WILLIAM PERL 
requested SAMUEL PERL to interviev; JOEL BARR regarding 
this matter and cspeclall 3 ^ to dctexmilnc the vjheroabouts of 
SAR/vNT. SAr^UEL PERL stated that the allegations against 
his brother cane as a complete surprise to him and that 
he had never received any information that his brother 
or any of his associates were Communistically inclined. 

SAMUEL PERL later interviewed BARR when they met In a 
student's restaurant and BARR denied that he had ever been 
a Communist but did admit he had been discharged from 
a Civil Service job in the Federal Government duo to a 
false accusation on the part of the Government that he vifas 
a Communist. BARR told SAMUEL PERL that in his opinion he. 
got a raw deal . 

BARR also told SAMUEL PERL that he left the 
United States because he could not get a job in private 
industry or In Government Service after being black- 
listed as a Communist. 

SAMUEL PERL stated that he last sav; JOEL BARR 
In the Students Cite Club located on the corner of 
Boulevard Malesherbes and Boulevard Courcellos on or 
about June, 1950* At th<at time, BARR advised PERL that 
he was leaving Paris and talked about wanting to sell his 
motorbike. PERL expressed an interest in bu.ying tlie 
bike, but BARR discouraged him saying that he did not v;ant 
t® sell it to a friend since it was not In good mechanical 
cpndltlon and viould cause too much trouble to keep in 1 

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I SAMUEL PERL asked BARR where he vjas i;o±n^ and 
thellatter replied to the effect that it v/ould be better 
if Perl did not knovj his intended destination. PERL stated 
that since BARR left Paris some of the music students v;ho 
knew him have asked PERL if he knev; BARR's whereabouts 
and have advised PERL that they have not received any 
word from him. SAMUEL PERL is of the opinion that PERL 
'may have sone to Sv/eden Inasmuch as he spoke Swedish fairly 
v;cll and liked the country. PERL stated that he does not 
believed BARR \'Jould have returned to Finland because he 
told PERL he did not like that country. 

Concerning his former association v;ith JOEL BARR, 
SAMUEL PERL advised that ho met PERL through his brother, 
WILLIAM PERL, in Now York City in New York City about 
1939* This v;as at a music recital in a pi’ivate residence 
in Kevj York City and WILLIAM PERL v;as present. SAMUEL 
PERL could not recall exactly v/here this recital had 
taken place but believed that It may have been in BAFlR's 
apartment. According to SAMUEL PEjRL, JOEL BARR and 
V/ILLIAM PERL were friends, both having gone to City College 
of New York at the same time and later having done 
graduate v;ork at Columbia University. Both were 
Electrical Engineers. 

Prior to coming to Europe in September, 19^9, 
and knov/ing that EARR was in Paris, SAMUEL PERL wrote to 
BARR that he intended to be in Paris studying music 
and advised him as to vjhon he expected to arrive. BARR 
mot SAMUEL PERL at the railroad station In Paris in 
September, 19^9, and took him to live vjlth him at his 
quarters in a private residence at 16 Rue dc la Pelouse, 
Neullly-Plaisanco (Seine ct Oiso) in the suburbs of Paris. 
PERL claims that prior to coming to Europe ho had not seen 
BARR more than six or seven times in the Unites States 
and that BARR on those occasions v;ac always in the company 
of his brother, WILLIAIl PERL. 

According to the above Informant, SAMUEL PERL 
lived v/ith BARR at the Ncullly-Plaisance address for 
about three viccks but found it so inconveniently located 
frjbm the city and being vjlthout personal ti-ansportation he 
defeidod to move to Paris. SAMUEL PEIiL's first address in 


P^ls was 53 Rue Notre Dame de Loretto. PERL moved to I 

83| Rue Maubeuge, his present address. 1 

V/hllo PERL lived v/lth BARR, he observed that 
BARR had a camera, make unknown to PERL, and also 
possessed a slide projector vjhich he used to exhibit 
color photographs taken in Sviedcn. PERL stated that BARR 
v/as Intensely interested in music, particularly in the 
composition of music . BAPIR vjas enrolled in the Conservatoire 
de Musique do Paris and studied there under OLIVIE MES3IEK, 
an organist. PERL stated he sav; very little of B/iRR 
after he, PERL, moved into Paris, explaining that they went 
to different music schools, PERL is enrolled in the 
Ecole Normale de Musique. He stated they lived far 
removed from each other. 


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STANLEi' ROBERT RICH, 2k Cacsilis Road, VJest 
Hartford, Connecticut, has advised that ho attended City 
Collogo of How York at the time subject VJILEIAM PERL studied 
there and recalled both JULIUS ROSENBERC and hORTOU SOBELL. 

Ho likewise is acquainted with MAX ELITCHER and WILLIAM 
DANZIGER, t^rith whora ho resided during the late 1930 's in 
Washington, D. C, 

RICH said that while at City College of Nov; York 
ho become engr.god in leftist activities and participated in 
many student rallies stich as advocating aid for Loyalist 
Spain and maintonance of acaderaic freedom, RICH said that 
during his senior year (1933) he was a mombor of the Stoinmetz 
Club of the Young Communist Leapao on she. City Collogo campus 
although shortly after graduation ho abandoned his leftist 
sympathies and since tho.t time has bocomo very anti-Communist . 

Concerning the Stoinmetz Club, RICH said tho 
organizotion was namod sifter a grijat enginoor v/hon ho 
described as a vrcll-known Socialist, This club, subsequent 
to its organization, became affiliated with the Young 
Comrjunist League and in fact became a unit of that organiza- 
tion, He explained that unlike the Cor-imunist Party, one 
did not have to bo a Communist to hold membership in the 
Young Communist League but merely bo Sjrnpathi.-tic to . 
Communism, RICH denied ever having joined the Coramunist 
Party as such, 

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RICH advised he attended both open and clesed 
meetings of the Young Communist League over a p';riod of four 
to seven months during his senior year and rivalled the 
following wore also in attendance at closed meetings: JULIUS 
ROSENBERG, MORTON SOBELL, Mi/VX ELITCRER, WILIJAM DANZIGER, 
and HATHAK 3US3MAN. • 

Ho also said that WILLIE MUTTFRPKRL was possibly 
In attendance at these closed meetings of the Young Communist 
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PE9L, RICH rocallud him as a follovj student at CCI'TY who, in 
1937 and 1938 * was sympathetic to the Communist cause. RICH 
vjas unable to cito definite statements on the part of PERL 
and could recall nothing definite concerning the association 
of PERL with the Young Communist League, Ho described PERL 
as a brilliant individual with whom ho vjas glad to be 
associated on a laboratory team at CCvjY, RICH said ho 
later heard PERL v/as v;ith the national Advisorj/’ Committee 
for Aeronautics at Langley Field, Virginia, He added that 
PERL would have knevm WILLIAM DAHZIGER, I'lORTOH 50BELL, and 
possibly MAX ELITCHER. RICH knew of no close association 
between PERL and JULIUS ROSEHBERO at CCHY. 


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_ PERL’S MARRL,GE AND RESIDENCE AT lOl). East SSth STREET, 
NEi\' YORK niTY 


Previous invsstigaticn in this esse has revualed 
that r.ubroqucnt to PERL’s arrival in Novj York City in 
Soptoinbor • 195^ » he resided for a short time v'ith his parents 
at 936 Tiffany Street, Bronx, New "fork, after vjhic’j he 
obtaire d. a room rt 6 IO V^est 110th Street (Crthodral ParbA'ay), 
Now York City, penthouse room #5» which is near the Colximbia 
University campus. 

It is recalled that since September 1950 PERL 
has been employed as an instructor in physics ond in resoarch 
vrork at Columbia, His office is located th^re in the Pupin 
Laboratory Building, telephone University I 4 .- 32 OO, extension 
501 , Recent inquiries at Columbia University have revealed 
that PERL is currently employed there. 

Confidential Informant T- 6 , of known reliability, 
vdio has been contacted periodically, advised that on October 
9, 1950 subject vjss moving "to a place on 3f’th Street", 
although she did not know the exact address. 

It is recalled that subject's formur common-lavi 
wife, IiE?JRIETTA 3AVIDGE, resides at 10i|. East 38 th Street. . 
Investigation at the latter address revealed that subject 
is Diving there in the top floor rear ajeart-vent , v.’hich is 
occupied by Kiss SAVIDGE, Svibsequently it v;as noted that 
the name on HEMPdETTA SAVIDGE’ s m'^ilbox located in the 
building lobby was changed to read "Mr. and Mrs, b’lLLIAK 
PERL - HENRIETTA SAVIDGE". 

The records of the Kr-rriage License Bureau, 

Borough of Manhattan, #26092, reflect' that V.’ILLIAM PERL, 

610 M;'.'St noth Street, Now York City, and HENRIETTA BOYD 
SAVIDGE, lOli East 38 th Street, New York City, applied for 
a lic'vnso to marry on October l)j , 1950 -and that the 
marri'go cr.r(.mony v;as per roi'i/ietl on October 2.', 1 by 
Reverend DOi'^ALD tIARPINGTON of 10 .Ivenuc, k'evj York City, 

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193j^ nt York City and that his parents are A3RAK/J1 • 

•^UTTFSPEHL, born in Poland, and SARAH SELTZER, also born in 
Poland* His occupation is listed as a ph^rsicist. This 
record reflected that HENRIETTA BOYD SAVIDGE was born March 
3, I 91 P’ at Indianapolis, Indiana; that her parents are ALBERT 
SAVIDGE and RUTH BOYD GEARHART, both born in the United 
’States* Her occupation was listed as an artist. It was 
the first ma^rriage for both individuals, 

Gonf identi .oi- Informant T-7 , of Icnown reliability, 
advised that subject is maintaining roigular hours at 
Columbia University and that he spends his evenings for the 
most part at his home. This informant has furnished no 
further information of pertinence to this investigation to 
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In varlouG conferences with Chief Assistant United 
States Attorney MYLES J. LANE concerning this and the 
related cases of JULIUS ROSENBERG, MORTON SOBELL and others, 
Mr. LANE has stated that he is still considering prosecution 
of PERL for perjury before the Federal Grand Jury. Hov^ever, 
he has said that final opinion as to seeking an indictment 
against PERL would av;ait the disposition of the ROSENBERG 
and SOBELL cases currently pending in the Southern District 
of Nevi York. 


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Confidential Informant T-S, of •unknovm reliability, ^ 
advised In strictest confidence that JULIUS ROSENBERG 
stated that when the Canadian Spy ring broke up he, 

ROSENBERG, lost contact for almost two years. He also 
mentioned, in discussing the amount of patience required 
• for underground vjork, that he had advanced money to a 
young couple v?lth which to open a business in the VJest. 
ROSENBERG said that the man was a school companion of 
his and had been in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. For 
years this couple operated a business, building a front 
in this City, and during difficult times ROSENBERG had to 
supply this couple with money. This man acted as a go- 
between for men who had microfilm to send to ROSENBERG for 
further conveyance. ROSENBERG stated this man was a drop 
between the East and V/est for ROSENBERG. ROSENBERG said 
It had not been a simple matter to maintain this man and 
that it would have been a serious blow to all operations 
to leave this man standing. The informant stated that he 
believed only ROSENBERG knew the location of this man. 
ROSENBERG advised that he is now worried that this man 
will be lost as a result of Information furnished by 
DAVID GREENGLASS. 

From the above Information, it appears that 
MIKE SIDOROVICH and ANN SIDOROVICH reasonably fit the 
identity of this couple. It Is noted that ^5IKE SIDOROVICH ’ 
v;as a member of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and has 
lived in Cleveland, Ohio, with ANN since December, 19^4; 
hov;evor, his employment record does not Indicate that he 
had his own business except for his employment as a real 
estate salesman in 19^9 Cleveland. 

The above informant also stated that JULIUS 
ROSENBERG was concerned about Information given to the 
Government by a woman who v/as on intimate tei'ms v/ith his 
wife, ETHEL. ROSENBERG said that this woman travelled to 
a distant city to bring funds to a man there so that he 
could leave the country, but that for some reason the funds 
were refused by this roan. The woman returned to New York 
and, according to the Informant, the Government picked 
hdr up with the money. ROSENBERG also said that the 
Government has an exhibit which is a photograph of this 
woman and his v;lfe, ETHEL. 


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From the above information, it would appear that 
ROSENBERG was roforrlng to VIVIAN GLASSMAN who wont to 
Cleveland in July, 1950* to deliver $2,000 to PERL v;hich 
he refused. VIVIAN GLASSMAN has been intervicv;ed by agents 
of the New York office and has appeared before the Grand 
ijury. Southern District of New York. The New York office 
does not have a photor;raph of VIVIAN GLASSMAN and ETHEL 
ROSErJBERG to;;;ethor, but does have a cr’oup photo which 
includes VIVIAN GLASSMAN, JOEL BARR and ALFRED and LOUISE 
SARANT. It has been established that VIVIAN GLASSMAN and 
ETHEL ROSENBERG were on friendly terns and that VIVIAN 
GLASSMAN has acted as baby sitter for the ROSENBERG children. 

Durin" an intervievj with agents of the New York 
office, VIVIAN GLASSMAN advised that an unknown nan had 
cone to her house and had given her $2,000 to deliver to an 
aeronautical engineer in Cleveland, She also stated that 
on her return to Nev; York this man again came to her house 
and she returned the $2,000 to him since V/ILLIAM PERL had 
refused to accept it. 

Although portions of the foregoing information 
furnished by Confidential Informant T-o should probably 
be included in the Investigative Section of this report 
same are at this time being considered Administrative 
due to the delicate and temporary nature of the source, 
it is felt that this Information is available to only a 
restricted few, all of vjhom arc. known to ROSENBERG and 
for this reason the source cannot be adequately concealed 
at this time. It is anticipated at a future appropriate 
time this information v;lll be set forth in an Investigative 
Section of a report. 

All offices are instructed that the foregoing 
Information is not to be disseminated and that every effort 
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H'TVE3?IG/.TICI: RE ELF.AKORE E. V'lT.KI-r 


) Information was obtained at the Burcian on 

December 19!>0 from ROBERT BELL, ''Letionel Advisory 
Comrr.i'c t'M for Aeron autics , Wnshinyto^', D. C ., concerning 

rrjloyed 

by the I-:ACA at Cl '.vclanuT Oh i o” K o iri i.' orrT^c^Tn^t 
was rcnort'-'dly dated by snb .ioct whilr- the latter vjac omol^ye d 
in Cleveland hv ■■.'C/. , 


The informant said that .about T-jovembor 1, 1950 
she v;ent to New fork City allegedly to obtain a foreign 
student's scholarship and while there r<. sided at 123 West 
13 th Otre-et, New ‘-'ork City, Mr, BELL said that her letters 
to fellow employees of NACA indicated thr.t ther-. hed been 
no activity concerning her scholarship while in Nuv; York 
City but that she V 7 a.s engaged in social activities. He did 
not know if she vans in contact with PERL u'hilo in Now York 
City, ft’-'^t'-'d ho was sur-nicious of PFRL' r havi ng 

dated 

NACA library at Cleveland, reportedly r.^turned to . 

work at Clovoland on December 1 3, 1 959, 

According to >'r, BELL, his source of the above 
information wrs WALTER ORE, a neiblic relations officer, 

NACA in Cleveland, Ohio, who in ti^rn hod been in contact 
with Chief Librarian LYONS, 


Inauiiy/ by reporting .agent at 123 ’‘C.-ot 13th 
Street, Nev; York City revealed this addro-as is a Salvation 
Arm.y girls' residence knoi-m as the John .'*nd Jary R, Markle 
Mcmoriol Homo, and that it houses sr.nro.'eima toly 3 OO women 
on a transient basis. 


, Miss ANNE MERO, cashier at th.; •••bove residnnee, 

advised from her records that ELEAliORE E. WILKINS occupii-.d 


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room 1505 from November 5 to December 10, 1950 at n rati, of 
^'.18,)4.5 por vfeek for board and room, Eer home address was 
1617 Kars Avenue, Lakovjood, Ohio, The record r'.:flectcd she 
vjas 32 years old, American, church affiliation - Presbyterian, 
occupation - librarian. Her emplo7/'cr's name and address v;as 
not shovm. She listed her nearest relative as Mrs, 0, L, 
V^ILKINS, 1617 Marc Avenue, Lakewood, Ohio, She also listed 
a Miss 3ALDV/IH, address Cleveland Evanrclino (Salvation 
Arm;/ girls’ residence in Cleveland), and r';rs, BENJAMIN 
5ENITZKY, 303 V/est 103r'd Street, Nev; York Clt;/, a.c references. 

The indices of the New York Office wore searched 
for information concerning Mrs, BENJAi'IN SENITZKY with 
negative results. 

The above records also reflect a local telephone 
charge to room 1,505 in the amount of 15'^( on '’ovembor 12, 1950 
for a call to University i|~3200, which is listed to the 
Columbia University PBX system. On November 16, 1950, 0 
charge of 35<^ was made to room 1505 for a local overtime 
call to Fieldctono 7-1100, listed to the United Nations 
Gecr'-tarifit , cr.oceitivc and general offices, and Department 
of Ini'ormation at Lake Success, Nov; York, 

The identity of the persons colled or the time 
of day the above colls wore made was not available in the 
above records, although it is noted that PPJRL is employed 
nt the Pupin Laboratory at ColiuTibia TTnivercity, 

Conc('i'*nlng Miss WILKINS • call to the United 
Nations, it was noted th-'t this nunibor is used bj'’ the public 
to request spectator passes to the gallery. Previous 
investigation nt the UN has revealed that no r'^scord is 
maintained there of the issu.ancc of such passes and that 
no record is in fact mnlntninod of persona entering UI^ 
premisos to contact officials or other p':rsons located there, 

A ■photograph of subject v;ra orlilbited to Miss 
;i:NE MERO, cashier md room clerk, Mie.a CL.iIRE JIMMOKE, 

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c Hr, rk- telephone operator, and Miss GLORI/. KORIJUIG, telephone! 
operator at the above address, none of v;hon recognized the 
subject nor could they give anj’’ inforri'-tion concerning 
visits by him to Miss V-'ILKIIJS, 


any 


A rc.’'iew of instant case file reveals that PERL 
is not knovm to have visited 123 VJost 13th 3tr:-t;t, York 
Citr/ . 


The above information use furnished the Bureau 
and the Cleveland Office by New York tfl-;;t;rpe d'-'.ted December 
l6, 1950» with t?ie request th-at Cleveland obtain ^'’ILKIirS’ 
physical description and also her period of employment at 
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III. PEPL'P. CL\S3KArsS AT COlTf 

This office has recently concluded a project of 
interviouins each of the graductes of the February 1938, 

J\ine 1938, February 1939 snd June 1939 classes at City 
College of Nev; York, since it has becoine evident that many 
of the nombers of the R0SE1I3F.HG apparatus attended City 
College during the above period. These persons were questioned 
concerning the associates, activities and degrees of relation- 
ship botvrocn the various individuals mentioned in this case 
and knovm to have attended CCITY, 


VJith the exception of the follov;ing, each of the 
individuals intervievred v;ss either not acquainted with PERL 
or recognized him onl;^ by photograph or name but could give 
no information concerning his associates or any Cormiionist 
activities on his part vxhllc on the campus, or concerning 
his activities or associates since leaving school. Likewise, 
no information of a Communist or an espionage natiorc con- 
cerning PERL v;as obtained ’.i;hich is pertinent to this inves- 
tigation with the exception of the follov;ing. 


ABF. FEDF’RING, li].79 Macornbs Road, Bronx, Kev; York, 
advised BA WARTIR F. CAREY that he is employed by the 
Electronics Department, Building #77, Brooklyn Ilavy Yard, 
During the interview ho recognized pict^irec of TIORTCI'I DOBELL, 
WILLIAM TRiTTERPERL, WILLIAM DAT’ZIGER and MAX ELITCRER. He 
s.aid th.at he h-'.d knovm those four at 
of thorn v;ith the exception of 30BELL 
He assumed that all of the four knew 
wore all mcmbei'S of th.e srime class, 
ho did not knov.' specifically of any 


CClfY and said that all 
wore pro -Communist, 
each other since they 
However, in this regard 
closer friendship exist- 


ing botv;cen any of the group. He said that h’- vjcs not too 
friendly with any of the above I'our and .said that he knov; 
DAM7IGFR bettor them the others. 


FED]'!RING al.so stated tJiat h-j v;a.s atrarc 
ypung Co'fimunist League existed at the time he went 


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However, he did not knovj if nny of the af oromont ionod persons 
belonf^od to it and vjas likewise unav;r.ro that they vjould have 
bolonp;<;d to the Stoininctz Section, He had nover hoard of 
this section of the Young Communist League, 

EEDERILIG said that he had never boon approached 
by any of this group or by any others of his classmates to 
join tho Young Communist League, j'^EDHi-illTG also said that 
while ho had not been lectured by anyone concerning the 
advantages of Communism while at school, ho was aware tlnat 
MUTTER PERL, DANZIGER and ELITCITFR wore pro -Communis t and 
that they did not keep their vievrs secret around the school. 
FEDERINO denied any Communist affiliations on his ovm part. 

It Is noted that each of tho graduates of CC'iY 
in 1938 and 1939 wore contacted in connection vrith the 
related eases entitled ’UioRTOU SOBELL, X'ra., EGPIonAGE - R” 
and "JULIUC R03ENBERG, EUFIOUAGE - R", in addition to this 
cano, and complete results of the interviews have been 
reported in tho S'OBELL case. Since there arc 'Approximately 
200 persons on this list, each of v;hich was gener'illy negative 
as to WILLIAM PERL, viith the above exception, and since each 
of them has boon appropriately indexed in the SOBELL enso, 
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IV « MISCELLANEOUS 

Investigation by tlie Cleveland Office has re- 
vealed that V.'oltcr J, Johnson, Inc,, 225 East 23rd Street, 

New York City, directed mail to the subject PERL X'Jhile ho 
resided in Cleveland, Ohio, Inquiry by reporting agent has 
revealed that this company is an established firm dealing 
in books of a general nature on a wholesale and retail basis. 

There is no derogatory inf or^ia tion available in 
the Nev; York indices concerning this company, olthougii 
Confidentiad Informant T-9 > of knov:n r'.J.iability , has 
advised that a chock in the amount of 5125 paid to tho 

firm during the spring of 1950 by order of PanstvjovgT- Zakald 
dla Badan Pizkochcmic Nych w, Krokowit, Krakow. 

Confidential Informant T-10, of knovm reliability 
advised that in December 19).J.9 a pn:;ar:ent was m.adc to V.’altor 
J. Johnson, Inc. , 125 East 23r(; Stra^ t, IPw York City, from 
the account of Karodowy Bank Pol sky at tho Irving Trust 
Corapany, Now York City, by order of National School Publi- 
cations, VAarszvea, in the amount of $9l5»55* Likcv;isc, in 
December 1949, a charge in the amount of $ 222.20 in favor 
of the Johnson firm was made on tho abo^^e account by order- 
of "Czytolnik" Spoldziolnas Wydownic zo-Osv;iatowa, Warszawa, 

The above informant also advised that during 
November 1949, two charges v;crc made on the above account 
in favor of t}ic Johnson firm in the amounts of $340 ;!i335» 

Investigation by the CleV'.dand Office has re- 
vealed that the gat'., register maintained .at the National 
Advisory Committei. for Aeronautics at Cleveland reveals 
that on September 22, 1948» one; F'RIDERICH JIIDD, 19 Bennett 
Place, Amityvill.e, Long I.aland, ronr'i.r.cntin.g Republic 
Avifition Company, visited ABE SlL'^RifSTEIN , subject's superior 
and that on Hay 31> 1949, one GALE K, ROOTS, 35 Oialfield, 
Bijonxvillo, Nov; York.., visited D2LT0I! KLEIN, a c.o-\.Jorker 
and close associate of the subject. 


IT* 65-15367 



; administrative PAGE - (Cont'd) 

A search of the Kev; York Office indices reveals 
no infonijation concerning or ROOTS. 

Likewise, the above rt.cords reflected that on 
Yarch 2 9, 19^4-6 one C. L, MUZZEY, 1120 Harmon Avenue, Dayton, 

Ohio, representing Aero Products Division, General Motors 
Corporation, visited ABE SI LtTT^ STEIN. He vras accompanied 
by JOHN F. HARRIS, apparently of the sane firm. 

On January 17, 19l}-9, one C, T:. PORTER, 2i|2 East 
Main Street, Clnirsvillo, Oliio, roureaenting Hanna Coal 
Company, visited ABE SILVERSTEIN. 

By letter to the Eurooai. d^'ted January 22, 1951, 
the Cincinnati Office advis-.d that n search of its indices r 

on January II4., 1951 revealed no identifj'ing information 9 

concerning PORTER or MUZZEY. 

The above records further reflected that on 
March 29, 191+6, C. D. DOMBIRER and one KTTHIJ or SIMRP, both 
of York, Pennsylvania , roprooonting S. Morgan Smith and 
Company, visited SILVERSTEIN. 

r 

Lilrov/ise, on August 9, 1914-6, 0. H. J/’.C03S0N, * | 

103 North 3^d Street, Reading, Pennsylvania, representing *• 

Marquardt Aircraft, visited 5ILVER3TFIK. 

i 

P.y letter to the Director datt;d January 22, 1951,^ 
the Philadelphia Office advised that the indices of that 
office contained no infor-mation concerning DOMBIRER or 
JACOBSON. 

'/ILLIAM PERL has advised that one MILTON KLEIN 
h'^s been closc*ly associated vrith him for several 7/ears and 
that tho;/ vrorkod tog' ther for N/.CA both at Langl07/ Field, 

Virginia and at Cleveland, Ohio, It is noted that this 
person has bet-n intorviov^od hy ClcVel.and agents concerning 
ope of PERL’s auto transactions in Clov .lend, and that KLEIN 

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ADMIHISTRATIVF, PAGE 


(Cont, *d) 


is currently resi 
Nev? York Universi 
JI'LIUG ROSENBERG, 
Products C omp nny 
nrrest of ROSFNBE: 
KLEI?], Arny Air ? 
R03KM:dERG case ha 
Arm:,-' Air Forces i 
\jho is a close fr 


ding in Now York City vjhere h^j is attending 
ty. In this connection, the notebook of 
which was located at the Pitt Tlochine 
by SA MICHAEL J. McDOHAOVT r.nbsequent to the 
RC-, contained an entry as follows: ’’KiltON 
orcos, ’.'II I4.-I6OO", Inve-stip;'' tion in the 
s revealed that this ''ILTON ' KLEIN of the 
s not identical with MILTON KLEIN of NACA 
iend of the subject* 


’■'ILTON KLEIN of the .‘rar; Air Forces was inter- 
vievxod on Jr.niiary 3*^, 1951 in the offices of the Air Force 
Materiel Command, 6? Broad Otroet, Nev: York City, telephone 
WH U-1600, by 3An REX I. 5HR0DER and J/.NFG P. LEE. KLEIN 
advised that he presently resides at 21-25 34th Avenue, 

Long Island City, Now York, and f ormer? :>' resided at T60 
West End Avenue, New York City, having moved to his present 
location approximately the middle of January 1951 • KLEIN 
stated that somotirao during 19)l-0 he joined the United States 
Signal Corps in Now York City and shortly tha-j-'or I'tor was 
sent to Pliiladelphia to attend training school. He departed 
Novj York fwr PhilacNalphia in compan:v’- with other inspectors 
who v.’ore going to the training school* Included in this 
group V7erc a Th'’, and Mrs. JULIUS ROSENBERG, who were intro-. 
d\:ced to KLEI!- during the trip, I-irs, ROSF’^EERC i^.as travelling 
with her husband and vras the only vjifo present out of the 
entire group, 

Wiilo in Phl].a,delphin , KLEIN vi.ss in contact with ' 
JULITJ.S ROCFNRERC, during Vrsrious classes but did not associate 
Xi7ith him otherwise. 


Sonotirno during 19l|-2, KLEIN again met ROSENBERG 
in Now York City while on official business -at the Horny 
Manufacturing Con])any, KLEIN was an.signcd to this company 
for n pr;riod of eight months and RC SENRERG vr".?. "Iso 
stationed there for approximately one wc-ek. 


’:y 65-15367 



‘ ADMINISTRATIVE PAGE - (Cont'd) 

KLEII'I later srw R0SEV3KRG d’jring 1943, at which 
tirPiC the latter was employed at t}ie En 'I'son Radio Company 
in Now Jersey. 

KUCI'Mc next contact vjlth ROIENBER'l v:as in 1945 
vjhcn the Air Rorce set up its ovm proouroment or/ 3 anizr.tion 
in New Ifork City and KLEIN became employ-. -d here, ROSENBERG 
telephoned. KIEIN at the office to ."'tat-, that he. he.d been 
dismiss-jd from hie position with the Giynal Corps because 
of his af fili'’tl^-ns with the Am-erican L^'bor Party and men- 
tioned that ho had hie own shop and v;ns dc>ing sub-contract 
wor): for the ;.ir Forces , ROSENBERG ar.k?d KLEIN if he knew 
of any contracts to be-: had or had any ideas on how to 
obtain them, KI,EIN rc:pli(:d in th-j negative .and ROSENBERG 
asked .him to cemo oi;t and look over hi;: riachino shop, 
Subsequ--ntly KL^TN inapocted nOSE.N’3E};G * 3 shop, v.’hich he 
believes vj-as located on B on:' ton Stra.et, Sometime thereafter 
KLEIN visit ..d ROGEMBERG' s shop, which ho rccall-,;d appeared 
to bo now inasmuch os it v;as in a disordo’rly condition. 


JILEJN advised that the above incident v;as the 
last time ho sav; ROSHiNBEJ-iG althop.ah he n-oy have spoken to 
him on tho- telephone since then. At no time did ROoENBERG 
question him r'ilativo to any classific.d information cr 
make any r-oference to a specific contract. 


photograph 
JOEL BARR 


During the above interviovr, KLEIN vras shown 
! of I'ORTC:: .-OBELL, V;iL.LIAT; URL, ATA-’RED 3AR/.NT, 

'.nd !'i..'.RK P/CE, b\it ho did not recognize my of thorn. 





The records of tho Harrlr^'-. License Bioreau, 
T3orouf4'i of T-7r'nhnttr.n, ^P?8892, rcflrct d in ncldition to infer- 
inntlcm previously reported herein, tli; t th-.' ••:itncsacs to 
subject’s nnrrinfrc v/crc LOTFISE’ LEITE/N -nd yxOBlS '..'laTAKER. 
yirovious invcr,tip;.ition hns rr.voolcd that LOU'j'/p LEITI-E-.N is 


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ADMINISTRATIVE PAGE - • (Cont'd) 


PIENRIETTA SAYIDGE's lister who rosidos at Nyack, New York. 
There is no idontifinble information in the New York 
indices concerning LOUISE LEITM.'N or DORIS 'aWITAKER. 

The above Marriage License Bureau records 
v;oro, searched by SE GERj'.RD M. LEKAHAN. 

SA lYiRK L/-WLE3G advised that r search of the 
records of the Belue Cross Hospital Flan, Ncvt York City, 
revealed nt/ information concerning V.'ILLIAM PERL under his 
true name or knovm alias of MIJTTERPERL, or concerning his 
common-law wife, HENRIETTA SAVIDGZ. 

Confidential Infoa'mant T-12, of knovm reliability, 
advised that he had no information pertinent to this inves- 
tigation concerning any contacts by the subject cither at 
93^ Tiffany Strf.^ot, Bronx, New York, or 610 Nest 110th 
Street, Nov; Y'Tk City, This informant will continue efforts 
to obtain information concerning PERL at 936 Tiffany Street, 
Bronx, lievj York, and concerning PERL and HENRIETTA SAVIDGE 
PERL at 104 East 38 th Street, Nevj York City. 

By letter dated IO/ 23 / 5 O this office forv/arded a 
specimen of SADIE MUTTERPERL ' s handwriting v;hich v;ao obtained 
at the Theodore Roosevelt High School to the FBI Laboratory 
for comparison with the handv?ritlng appearing on a postal 
card addressed to the University of Tennessee and postmarked 

7 / 17 / 50 . 


By report dated 11/3/50, the FBI Laboratory 
advised no conclusion could be reached since the Icnovm 
specimen v;ac not adequate for comparison. 



NY 65-15387 


NEVJ YORK 


LEAD 


At Ncv) York City; 


Since all Icadc in this and related cases are 
bein^i directed by teletype and letter, no leads arc beln 
set forth in this report. 



2 



IIY 65-15387 


IIJFORMNTS 


The confidential informants mentioned in the report of 
SA riAURICE V/. CORCORAN dated Fehr'crarjr I 6 , 1951a-t New York 
are as follows: 


T-1 Civil Service Commission, V/ashington, D.C. 

T-2 

T-3 Anonymous source . 

\t- 4 Major L. G. V/hlto, G-2 Intclligenco Officer, 

1 — Ft. Monmouth. N. J. and the files of his office. 


T-5 





T-6 


:SkTESP.ioiiAGE-R". 

Clt r- ■ Bull dlriK. maiia'rer f c r 
Nev: Yorkr.Ci-t^;* 

T-7 rPerlodic spot ...cheeks ;^of^JERL* & activities'^ 

^'of^i'5-"-r-«&-Ment< 

S New .»¥ojE^ ■<?ity» 


T-8 flTEROME 

•^th mJGLIWS.- ROSENBERG .ih. 'tlidJE^deral -Rouse f 
P 6f/I)o tent ion f \iNetJ ♦York ^'01 tyN' " / 


T-9 

f ^nkctr:3>Trus€ ’^Coripan^^^ ' •' - 


T-IO fJOHlJ Jr-^C< 

f * j^-v ii yrr^roig r •cempan^^; - •V•+}aH''S.t^!^'€^^ . 


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T-12 


INFORMANTS - Continued 


Collector of Internal Revenue, j 
VJashlngton, D. <^ - — ■ — 

Mail covers maintained on the subject's 
parents' address 936 Tiffany Street, 
Bronx, Nev; York, and on subject's 
addresses 6 IO V/est 110th Street, New York 
City, and 104 East 38tl^ Street, Nev; York 
City. 


REFERENCES; Report SA MAURICE W. CORCORAN, 10/26/50, New York. 
Bureau letter, II/IO/ 5 O. 

Report SA JOHN P. BUSCHER, II/ 3 O/ 5 O, Washington, D.C. 
Report SA PAUL R. BI3LER, 12/5/50, Albany. 

Bureau letter, 12/11/50. 

Report SA VINCENT J. CAHILL, 12/15/50, Nev; York, 
in case entitled, "MAX ELITCHER; HELENE 
ELITCHER; - ESPIONAGE-R" (Nev; York origin) 

Report SA JOHN B. O'DONOGHUE, 1/5/51, Cleveland. 



APPEAL ADDRESSES 


Adjutant General 

Office of the Secretary of the Array 
Attention; General Counsel 
Washington, D. C. 20310 


Air Force 


Secretary of the Air Force 
c/o AFOSI/DADF 
Washington, D. C. 20314 


Agriculture 


Mr. Thomas F. McBride 
Inspector General 

United States Department of Agriculture 
Roora 24 7 £ 

Administration Building 
Washington, D. C. 20250 


Army 


Office of the Secretary of the Array 
Attention: General Coxinsel 
Washington, D. C. 20310 


Bureau of Alcohol. Tobacco and Firearms 

Assistant to the Director 
Room 2232 

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms 
12th and Pennsylvania Avenue, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20226 



APx^EAL ADDRESSES 


Civil Service Commission 

Mr. Donald J. Biglin 
Assistant Executive Director 
Freedom of Information and Privacy 
United States Civil Service Commission 
1900 E Street, N. W. 

Washington, D. C. 20415 


Coast Guard 


United States Coast Guard 
Department of Transportation 
4007th Street, S. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20590 


Commerce 

Freedom of Information Appeal 
Assistant Secretary for Industry and Trade 
United States Commerce Department 
Washington, D. C. 20230 


Customs 


Assistant Commissioner of Customs 
Office of Regulations and Rulings 
United States Qistoras Service 
1301 Constitution Avenue, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20229 


Department of Energy 

Department of Energy Headquarters 
Department of Energy Appeal Panel 
Freedom of Information Officer 
Washington, D. C. 20545 



APPEAL ADDRESSES 


National Archives and Records Service 


Dr. James E. O'Neill 
Deputy Archivist 

National Archives and Records Service 
Washington, D. C. 20408 


National Labor Relations Board 


Office of Appeals 
National Labor Relations Board 
1717 Pennsylvania Avenue, N. W. 
Washington, D. C. 20570 


Naval Investi/,ative Service 

Judge Advocate General (Code 14L) 
Department of the Navy 
Washington, D. C. 20370 


Naval Records Management 

Judge Advocate General (Code 14L) 
Department of the Navy 
Washington, D. C. 20370 


Office of Naval Intelligence 

Judge Advocate General (Code 14L) 
Department of the Navy 
Washington, D. C. 20370 


Passport 


Ms. Barbara Ennis 
Freedom of Information Staff 
Office of Public Affairs 
Department of State 
Washington, D. C. 20520 


AGENCIES- 


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No. of .Pago* 








UNITED STAl^ GOVERNMENT 


DATE: 





In connection with the Senontel Case, CIC 
dossiers maintained by G-2, First Army, Kew York, were 
reviewed on a total of 66? individuals who are former 
or present employees or associates of former or present 
employees of the Army Signal Corps, Port Ilonmouth, 

New Jersey, and the Federal Telecommunications Labora- 
tories, Nutley, New Jersey. Upon completion of the 
review of these CIC dossiers, the files of the Bureau 
and the Newark and New York offices v/ere reviev^ed on 
each of the 667 individuals. These file reviews were 
completed on 10-12-53 and based on the results thereof, 
action was taken by the Buneau on a number of individuals 
involved, including the above-captionod subject. The 
action taken relative to the captioned subject is 
indicated below by an ”X": 
i 

Esp. - R Opened SH - C Opened 

Reopened Reopened 

''' ' . Continued 3 cxx Continued 


IS - R Opened 

Reopened_ 

Continued 


SGE Opened 

Reopened_ 

Continued 





ACTION: 


This is for record purposes and should bo filed 
in the subject's main file. A coj^ is being placed in 
the Semontel control file. 


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p\ cc - 65-61685 


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recorded - 51 i ^ > 

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Buflle: 65-59453 

NY File: 65-15392 

NK File: 65-3903 

NK Control File: 100-34455-935 

SUBJECT: JOEL BARR 


ADDITIONAL DEROGATORY INFORMATION; 

1) ASSOCIATES 

The following associates are all subjects of blind memos, whose 
names appeaured in the CIC files as associates of BARR: 

ETHEX and JULIUS ROSEfSERG 



♦ On 10 / 10 / 50 , the Federal Grand Jury, Southern District of New York, 

indicted JULIUS ROSENBERG, ETHEL ROSENBERG, Al^ATOLI A. YAKOLEV, ^lORTON SOBELL 
and DA7ID GREENGLASS for conspiracy to violate the wartime espionage statute. 
Sub-section A, Section 32, Title 50, U.S.C. On 3/29/51> SOBELL and the 
ROSENBEHGs were found guilty by a Federal Jury in the Southern District of 
N.Y. On 6/l9/53> the ROSENBERGs were executed in accordance with their 
sentence. 

\ 

DAVID GREENGLASS 


\ 


A self-admitted espionage agent in the ROSENBERG apparatus, who 
was a government \d.tness against SOBELL and the ROSENBERGs. He received a 
15 -yaar sentence for" his part in the conspiracy. 



^K)RT0f; 'SOBELL 


\ 


MAX ELITCHER,' later described; who admitted CP membership, stated 
that he was recruited into the C? by SOBELL. ELITCHER advised that ROSEI.’BEHG 
had informed him that SOBELL had been aiding ROSENBERG in espionage work. 
ELITCHER further stated that SOBELL had attempted to enlist him in espionage 
work by turning over information to ROSENBERG obtained by ELITCHER in the 
course of his employment with the Navy Department, Washington, D. C. SOBELL 
fled to Mexico in June, 1950, after engaging in espionage work, and he was 
arrested at Laredo, Texas, by Bureau agents on 8 /I 8 / 5 O. He was tried and 
convicted of espionage, and sentenced to 30 years imprisonment. 


ALFRED 


SARANT 


SARANT was a close associate of JULIUS and ETHEL ROSENBERG, arvl 







photographing espionage documents during Jul 7 4th week-end of 1948. 
R0SENBER3 visited SARANT at Ithaca, N. Y*, during June, 1950, allegedly 
tp pick up espionage material. SARANT left the U, 5. approximately ten 
days after the arrest of ROSENBERG, eind his present whereabouts are 



PERL was an associate and acquaintance of JULIUS ROSEJIBERG who 
was tried^ convicted and executed for espionage. He has been involved 
with and associated with many of the persons included in the ROSEi'JBERG 
apparatus. PERL was indicted for perjury in connection with his testimony 
in the ROSEIiBERG case, and he is presently serving 5 years for perjury. 


KAXTLITCHER 


* \ He is an admitted former menber of the YCL and CP, and a close 
acquaint^ce of JULIUS and ETHEL ROSEfSERG and KORTON S03ELL, He admitted 
ha'idng been approached by ROSENBERG and S03ELL to enter espionage conspiracy 
but he has advised that he never furnished them any unauthorized informa- 
tion. He was a government witness against the ROSEsBERGs and SOBELL. 





CLASSMAN was a girlfriend of JOEL BARR, and has been identified 
by DAVID GREENGLASS as a member of the ROSENBERG apparatus. She has been 
associated with many of the persons involved in this ring, and admitted to 
FBI agents that she delivered s>2,000 to WILLIAM PERL in Cleveland with 
instructions for his flight from the U. S. to Mexico. This money supposedly 
cane from a Soviet agent. After PERL refused the money, she was contacted 
by this man, who reclaimed the money. She has refused to identify this 
individual. She is presently married to ERfiSiST PATAKI, described below. 


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He was employed at FTL from 1944 to 1950. A peraiissive search 
of his apartment by Bxireau agents revealed a large quantity of Corainunist 
literature, which PATAKI described as union literatxire. While at”FTL,' he 
was stev/ard of the UPOViA, which was alleged to have been Comnninist dominated. 










RECOKdEKDATION 


u 


The New York Office should continue its investigation under the 
ESPIONAGE — R character* 






ucj-^' 

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September 16, 1953 


BUREAU FILE REVIEW 

JOEL^MRR 
■' — 


Barr is the subject of a pending Esp^R case, NT origin, 
NT file 65'“lS392j Bufile 65-59453 • He is known to have been 
associated with numerous espionage and suspected espionage 
agents. His present whereabouts are unknown and it is be- 
lieved he is out of the country, 

« ^Reports have been disseminated to: 

DEPT, 

G-2 


n-N-T 


■ ■■ — 

" ■ ■ ■ i ' ^ . 




The files of CIO, Department of the Army, fail to 
reflect any additional information concerning the subject 
not already in Bureau files. 


65-61685 
ce - 65-59453 



COPIES DESTROYED 
148 NOV 23 1950 






A" 






JOEL BARR 



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Birth Record 

Joel Barr v;a3 born January 1, 1916, according to 
the records of the Bureau of Vital Statistics, Brooklyn, Nexv 
York, under Certificate Nvunber 2575. His father’s name was 
given as Benjami'h,^arr, born in Russia. His age in 1916 was 
30, and his motheiNvias given as Beck^Bobrovjolsky, born in 
Russia, who gave he^age at that time twenty^slx. 


Employment at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey 


X 


Confidential Informant T-1, another Government 
agency which conducts Intelligence investigations (G-2, Governors 
Island, New York, 65-15392-233^ p.^)> advised that their*^ 
records reflected that Barr was employed from July 1, 19^0* 
as a Junior electrical engineer with the Signal Service at 
Large at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey. His emplojonent was termi- 
nated on February 23, 19^+2, by reason of discharge under 
authority contained in Section Six of the Act approved 
June 28, 19^0 (Public Law #671*^ 76th Congress) on a charge 
of having signed a Communist petition on or about August 9> 

1939. According to the above informant, Barr appealed 
from the dismissal and admitted signing a Communist petition, 
but denied ever belonging to any Communist organization. 

In his memorandvun, he further suggested that his dismissal 
was due to union activities rather than his being a Communist 
petition signer." However, his appeal was denied and the 
case was closed. 


Communist Party Activities 


According to Confidential Informant T-2, of known 
reliability (Anonymous, 65-15392-233^ P.^)j Joel Barr, in 
February 19^4 j whose address at that time vias 2Ll Nest 97 Street, 
Mev? York City, was transferred to the Ninth Assembly District 
Club of the Ninth Assembly District Section of the communist 
party under transfer number 12185. 


Confidential Informant T-3# of knov;n reliability 
/ (United States Civil Service Commission records, 641 
I Washington Avenue, New York City, 63-15392-233^ p.4), 

[ advised that their records reflected that Joel Barr, of 


I 


553 Hopkinson Avenue, Brooklyn, Nex^ York, clsned a Communist 
Party petition, number 2133# for Peter Cacchione, dated 
August 9# 1939# 23rd Assembly District of 'c.he 25th Election 
District. 


According to Confidential Informant T-1, mentioned 
^above, Barr was a member of the National Youth Administration (ITYA) 
at the College of the City of New York. The same informant 
advised that while Barr was at Port Monmou th, ne v: Jersey, 
he lived and xvas a very close associate ol 




Mr. Nathan Sussman, 56-55 205th Street, Bayslde, 

Long Island, v;as interviev;ed by Special Agents Bert S. Tayloi’ 
and Robert F. Royal at the New York Office. He advised 
that in the latter half of 19'<-2 a branch knovm as 16 b of the 
Industrial Division, Communist Party, USA, v;as organized. 

He stated that either Julius Rosenberg, convicted and 
executed Soviet ‘espionage agent, or Joel Barr had invited 
him to become a member of this Communist Party branch. 


In another interview conducted March 30, 1951, 
Sussman recalled that 16 b had a farewell party in 19^^ at 
Bonat's Restaurant locatedon 32nd Street, betv;een Eighth 
and Ninth Avenues, Nex^ York City. He recalled that Julius 
and Ethel Rosenberg, Joel Barr, Alfred sarant and others, 
including himself and his xvife attended this private 
dinner. 


On March 27# 1951# Israel L. Tannenbaum 
V7as Interviewed by Special Agents Bert S. Taylor and 
Robert F. Royal at Poughkeepsie, New York, vzhere he was 
working. His home address is ^09 East 21 Street, Brooklyn, 

Nex-j York. He stated in this interviexv that he had been active 
in the Young Communist League at Cooper Union College, from 
v/hich he gradxmted in June 1939* In 19^2 he was invited 



to join a study or discussion group of the Communist Par^y and 
meetings of this group were held at Julius Rosenberg's 
apartment at 10 Monroe Street, New Yorlc City. Re identified a 
photograph of Joel Barr ?s among those v;ho were active in this 
Communist Party cell, which he believed v;as known as Branch 16b. 

The Communist Party is one of those organizations 
declared by the Attorney General as coming vjithin the purviev; 
of Executive Order lO'ipO. 

Espionage Activities 


# David Greenglass, convicted Soviet espionage agent, 
advised in several interviews conducted by agents of the 
llevj York Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation as to 
the following facts concerning Joel Barr; 

Greenglass stated that in 19^5 Julius Rosenberg 
came to him (Greenglass) and told him to leave the country. 
Greenglass refused to leave the united States. Rosenberg 
told him he would have to leave the country and that more 
important people than Greenglass had left the country already, 
such as Joel Barr. Rosenberg told Greenglass Barr v;as doing- 
work for_the Russians overseas. 

* 

In another "interview, Greenglass recalled that while 
working for the G and R Engineering Company, Joel Barr car.ie 
in a few times to use a lathe to make some bushings for a 
fishing rod or some article of that nature. Greenglass also 
recalled that Barr used to work at a bench in the rear of the 
shop on what appeared to be a radio chassis. Greenglass 
stated, however, that Barr was never employed by the G and 
R Engineering Company, which was oxvned by J-alius Rosenber., aiid 
himself. 


At still another Interview, Greenglass advised that 
Julius Rosenberg told him that he had given money to Joel Barr 
to assist Barr in his trip to Europe in 19^3. However, 
Greenglass had no knoviledge as to the amount of money or 
exactly when this money was given. 

At another interview Greenglass advised that just 
before Joel Barr left New York for Europe in January 19^3, Barr 
took a vacation in Miami, Florida. He stated he did not 
Icnow if Julius Rosenberg or Vivian gi assman were present 



(• 


v;hen Joel Barr sailed because he himself did not go to see 
Barr off. In connection vfith Barr’s sailing he again recalled 
that shortly after Barr saileci Rosenberg told him he had given 
Barr some money to make the trip to Europe . He stated that 
on another occasion, he asked Julius Rosenberg, sometime in 
19^7> and just prior to Barr’s trip to Europe, whether Joel 
Barr and Vivian Glassman, who was the girlfriend of Joel Barr*, 
v/ere in the espionage set up. Rosenberg ansv;ered sharply, "Ho.” 
Greenglass said that when Rosenberg answered, "No" to his question 
concerning Joel Barr and Vivian Glassman in the manner in 
which he did, he mUst have meant that Barr and Glassman v;ere 
involved, but he did not want to talk about it. A short tine 
afterward, Rosenberg admitted to Greenglass that Barr was a 
Soviet agent, but he never mentioned Vivian Glassman again 
in connectldn with his espionage work. 

Greenglass also advised that Julius Rosenberg stated 

that Glassman had received some correspondence from Joel Barr 
while Barr was in Sv/eden, but did not elaborate fxirther. He 
also stated that in the fall of 1^^7^ Bari” brought to the 
Pitt Machine Products Company a metal tool box containing some 
tools, an oscilloscope, a wave meter, a photographic contact 
printer, some developing pans, some clamps for flood lights and 
a considerable amount of literature on photography. Greenglass 
stated tliat this inaterial was stored in the basement of the 
Pitt Machine Produces Company, located at 320 East Houston 
Street, New York City. ’He stated that Barr told him he had an 
enlarger, but Greenglass never saw this enlarger. He further 
stated that after Barr left the United states, Julius 
Rosenbejj;g told him that he could take the material that Barr 
riad left”^ the Pitt Machine Products Company. Greenglass 
said that he gave the abovementioned items to his brother-in- lav;, 
Louis Abel, who resides at 87 Columbia Street, New York City. 

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\ Greenglass further stated that he also knows that 
ArthurSBarr, the brother of Joel Barr, was acquainted with 
Julius Rq^senberg as he once sav; Joel Barr and Julius Rosenberg 
leave the Pitt Machine Products Company and go over to talk 
to Arthur Barr, who was waiting in an automobile outside the 
plant. 




Mrs. RuthNqreenglass, wife of Davi^^reenglass and 
self -admitted espioi^ge agent, in an Inter^ew conducted 'by 
SA John A. Harrington in New York, advised that one night 
during the Christmas holidays in 194? she was in Ethel 
Rosenberg's apartment. Vivian Classman and Joel Barr were 
also there. 

Ethel Rosenberg was also convicted of Soviet espionage 
with her husband, Julius Rosenberg, and executed. 

On another occasion, Mrs. Greanglass recalled 
when Dav’d Greenglass and she had little funds, and apparently 
when Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were also wJthout much money, 
Joel ETarr and Vivian Classman came to Ethel's house and Barr 
bought the dinner for everybody. She also remembered that Joel 
Barr and Vivian Glassman came to the house at another time 
and brought a pressure cooker for the Rosenbergs. She stated 
that it was her belief that Joel Barr was not woricing for 
Julius Rosenberg d rectly because Barr seemed to nave money 
and to be on the same level with Julius Rosenberg. 

^^^^^^^Conf idential Informant T-4, of unknown rollabil-ty 
i^^mE^5^5392,233 pg.S)’^ at var ous Interviews, advised 
that Rosenberg told him that there were two espionage units 
operating in the Nev; York area and that he headed one of t.iese 
and the other unit'^was headed by two men. Regarding these 
two men, Rosenberg stated one of them was in Europe at t.ie time 
of his, Rosenberg's, arrest, and tne other had fled one week 
after his arrest. Rosenberg further stated to this infor.aant 
that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had visited tne 
home of one of these tv<o man and h'^.d spoken to his aged mother, 
who had furnished the Federal Bureau of Investigation names 
of other people who were friendly with her son. He stated 
that among the names given to the Federal Bureau of 
Investigation were a number of people who v^ere Involved in * 
espionage with him, Rosenberg, and that a number of these 
people had been ordered before the Grand Jury. 

It should be noted that in regard to the above 
information, Joel Barr was in Europe at the time of Julies 
Rosenberg's arrest and Alfred sarant had fled to Mexico 
after Rosenberg's arrest. It should also be noted that tne 


Federal Bureau of Investigation had visited Joel Barr *s elderly 
mother and had questioned her concerning various individuals, 
who were acquainted with Barr. 

Confidential Informant T-4 also advised that he nad 
been told by Julius Rosenberg that Joel Barr was a courier 
for the Russians and was in Europe, and probably Russia. 

Julius Rosenberg told him he had given money to Artntir Barr 
to give to Joel Barr. 

Vivian Classman, the girlfriend of Joel Barr, 
prior to his leaving the United States, was interviewed on 
August 3t 1950 , at her residence, I 3 I East .Tth Street, New 
York City, by Special Agents Richard T. Hradsky and Robert F. 
Royal, and she advised that on July 21, 1950, at about 
8; 00 PM, a man knocked on her apartment door and stated that 
he was a friend. This stranger asked her if she knew "John," 
and when she said, ”No,” he made reference to Joel Barr, and 
she advised that Barr was her former fiance. The stranger 
then stated by way of identifying himself that at one time 
he intended to help Barr go to Europe. She stated that 
although she did not know this man, she thought she could trust 
him as long as -he xvas a friend of Joel Barr. This stranger 
then asked her' if she would go to Cleveland to visit a 
friend, an aeronautical engineer, who was interested in her 

sister. She believed 'that he was referring to her sister, 

Eleanor, who was very fond of a William Perl. The stranger 
told her to tell Perl to go to Mexico and he gave her a roll 
^of money and stated,- "Here’s $2,000." He then departed. 

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\ She advised in brief that she took this trip to 
Cleveland and that V.'illiam Perl told her she must be crazy 
to get mixed up in such a deal and told her to return to 
New York and wash her hands of the whole affair. 

She advised, with regard to Joel Barr, that when 
Barr was planning to go to France to study in 19-+7, she 
too planned to go to France to study. She stated that sae 
thought Barr was going to marry her, but when he nad not 
done so by the sailing time, she cancelled her steamship 
reservations and they had personal differences. She stated 


that Barr has never corresponded v?ith her since that time nor 
has she written to him. 

It should he noted that this is in contradiction to 
the previous information set forth that Julius Rosenberg said 
Vivian Glassman had heard from Joel Barr. 

Additional Contacts and. 

Associates 


Max Elitcher, in an interview on March 22, 1951 » 
at the New York Office, conducted by SA Vincent J. Cahill, 
gave the following information in regard to Joel Barr. 

In July or September of 19^^^ > when he and his wife 
were in New York City, he telephoned Julius Rosenberg and 
arranged to meet Rosenberg at ^I2nd Street and Eighth Avenue 
in the late afternoon of the same day. He recalled that 
Rosenberg said he would try to* get in touch v.’ith some of their 
former classmates so that they could all get together. 
Subsequently, he met Julius Rosenberg at the corner of 
^2nd Street and Eighth Avenue, New York City, and shortly 
thereafter William Perl and Perl’s younger brother arrived. 
They- had dinner at the Bird-ln-Hand Restaurant, I 65 S Broadway, 
NevJ York City^-' and either during dinner or shortly thereafter, 
Rosenberg made a" telephone call to Joel Barr and Barr 
subsequently joined them. When dinner was over, Barr 
invited the entire group up to his parents’ home on 97 tn 
Street, New York- City. After staying at Barr’s apartment 
for some time they left and at Barr’s suggestion started 
out for the Greenv/ich Village Section of New York to visit 
a friend of Barr, named Alfred Sarant. 


Elitcher recalled that when they arrived at the 
Sarant apartment, 65 Morton Street, Barr went ahead up to 
the apartment and admitted himself with a key. VJhen the 
rest of them arrived in the apartment, they found that 
Sarant had apparently been asleep and he got up, dressed and 
Joined them, entertaining them with his guitar playing. The 
\ ipeople present at Sarant ’s apartment were Max and Helene 
^litjJ^r, William Perl, Julius Rosenberg, Joel Barr and Alfred 
sarant.' 


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He recalled at another time near the end of December 
19^6 he and his wife were again in New York, and bj' some 
pre -arrangement they met Julius Rosenberg on the street outside 
of Alfred Sarant’s apartment house in Greenwich Village. They v;ent 
fround the corner to a restaurant where they met Helen and Morton 
jbellj. William Perl and Joel Barr. They all had dinner together. 

Helene Elltcher was also Interviewed and advl'^e^s^ 
substantially to the same set of facts that her husband. Max 
Elitcher, had given. 


It should be noted that on March 8 and 9 , 1951 ^ Max 
Elitcher testified as one of a number of Government witnesses. 
Federal District Court, Southern District of New York, in the 
espionage conspiracy trial of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg and 
Morton Sobell. On March 29, 1951* the Jury returned a verdict 
of guilty on all defendants. 

The records of the Passport Division of the state 
Department reflect that Joel Barr 'applied for a passport on 
December 1, 19^7^ to go to Europe and gave the reason, "to 
, broaden background by continuance of study in Europe." He 
stated he had applied at the University of Delft, Holland and 
I Kungl Technical' University at Stockholm, Sweden. He planned 
' to leave' January J.9^8 and study one year at Stockholm, then 
\ one year at Delft 1" -Passport Number 133825 vjas issued to 
\ Joel Barr on December 8; 19'‘^7. Joel Barr left the United 
\ States January 21, 19^8. 


Several interviews have been conducted with Arthur 
Barr and Bernar a'^*j^rr , brothers of Joel Barr, but they have 
not been able to fbsinish any information as to the whereabout 
of Joel Barr nor could they furnish any information as to 
the activities of Joel Barr which might reflect upon his 
connection with Soviet espionage. 

* Confidential Informant 1-6, of Icnoim reliability 
(mall cover maintained on the relatives of Joel Bai^, 
namely ArtHv^ Ba^, Bernard Barr, brothers, Rebecca^Barr, 
mother, lris\BarJ\Milboard, sister, 65-15392-233) * h^ 
advised that as oK^he present date none of the relatives 
of Joel Barr, including his mother, who resides at 2^1 West 
97 Street, New York City, have received any communications 
from Joel Barr. 





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JOEL BAIiB 


Bureau Control Pile No* -65-6lIi71 
Borean File No* 

New York Control Hie No. 65-16382 
New York File No* 

Neirark Control File No* 100-3UiS5-935 
Neirark File No* 65-3908 


JCDEL BIRR was born January 1, 1916, at Brooklyn, New York* 
He was fomerly eit^l< 7 ed at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey, and is not 
married* 



The Hies of CIC reflect that DA7ID GREEmiASS advised that 
JELUJIS ROSENBERG told him that JOEL BAER was a Soviet Agent* 


The files of the Nenark Division reflect that BIER was a 
meaber of the Soviet Espionage apparatus in which JULIUS ROSENBERG 
functioned* JULIUS RO^NEERG was convicted of espionage and executed* 


The following reports were disseminated to G»2t 
1* Report of l^ecial Agent FREDERICK C* BiUCKH&H, dated 6-20-51, et New York* 
2* Report of Special Agent ERSIERICE C* BIUCEH&IC, dated 10-20-51, at New York* 
3* Report of Special Agent TECMLS J. 0*HIRE, dated 12-3-51, at Charlotte* 

It* Report of Special Agent JOHN R* HONS, dated 10-5-51, at Newark* 

5* Report of Special Agent TBOMIS J* SQOLNT, dated 6-30-51, at Los Angeles* 



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EDW-ARD JAMES WEINSTEIN born 7/17/26, NYC. Lly — X A 

residing 101 St. Marks Place, NYC, and employed by 
Emerson Radio and Television Co., Jersey City, N.J. 

Background info, set forth./ Subject close friend and’ / 
former roommate of MAXWELI^^^NESTONE, described by infer-/ I 
mant as last individual recruited in JULIUS R0SENI3ERG * 
espionage network. Informants advised subject associated ^ 
with Young Progressives of America, American Youth for / 

Democracy and Labor Youth League. Physical surveillances 
of subject reflected he visited Jefferson School of Social 
Science on 2/27/52, Mr, JOHN BROWN advised subject’s 
library contains books written by KARL MARX. Considerable 
CP literature observed in subject’s vacated apartment, 418 
East 9th Street on 4/30/52. Subject subscribes to "Dally 
Worker", "The Worker", "National Guardian" arid YPA literature. 
Info, concerning contacts of subject set forth. Subject’s 
raothei' convicted of contempt of congress for failing to 
deliver records of JAPTfC. Subject filed Piii with Anton 
Electronic Laboratories, Brooklyn, NY on 6/12/51 arid worked 
the following two days. Palled to list any organizations 
on PSii and stated he was formerly employed by Espey 
Manufacturing Co, September, 1948 to June, 1949* Records 
of Espey Manufacturing Co, fall to reflect any employment 
for V/EINSTEIN, Records Cornell University reflect ha^r,.pY 
graduated from Cornell in June, 1949 ^ HP p-'-n / ^ 

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TABLE OP CONTENTS 


A. BACKGROUND 

1. Birth Data and Citizenship 

Z. Education 

3» Marital Status 

i|. Military Service Reccrd 

5* Employment 

6* Residences 

B. BASIS OF INVESTIGATION AND 
IDENTIFICATION OF JAMES WEINSTEIN 

1. Basis for Investigation 

2. Identification of EDWARD JAMES WEINSTEIN 
3* Information Concerning MAXWELL FINESTONE 
I4.. Interview with VIVIAN GLASSMAN 

5* Documentations of Individuals 

C. CONNECTIONS WITH COMMUNIST 

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1 - Cleveland (65-2847) (Info) (RM) 

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D. IK'IERVIElvL OP IHDIVIDU.5L^ REFLECTIKG 
aJBJECT'L COIMJKIET PARTY LYKPATHIES 
PART I GIF ATIOR _1 N_raOi; T GHQUP-6 


a. JOLEPR HAl^-IELBURGER 25 

b. 0. JOHN ROGGE 25 

c. JOLEPH WEINBTEIN 26 

d. ABRAHAi-I K-UPI^AN 27 

e. JOHN DAVID LYLE 28 

f. MARILYN MILLS 30 

E. CONTACTS OF SUBJECT 

1. Dr. EDWARD K. BARSKY 

HELEN BRYAN 31 

2. JACK HESTER 31 

3. SEYMOUR FINIGELMAN 32 

k, ALBERT MITCKELL 32 

5* HARRIET FEIT 33 

6. GLORIA SEGAL 3lJ. 

7. DOUGLAS MONTAGUE JACOBS 3il. 

8. MILTON LEST2 35 

F. R ELATIVES OF SUBJECT 

l. JOSEPH WEINSTEIN 

BARBARA WEINSTEIN 35 

2, LOIS WEINSTEIN 36 

G. PERSONNEL SECURITY QUESTIONNAIRE 

FILED B Y SU BJECT 37 

F .^^SE ST ATEMENTS 38 

I . MISCELLANEOUS 39 

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DETAILS; j 

This investigat^’on is predicated on information 
reflecting that EDWARD JAMES WEINST^N, more commonly known 
as JAMES WEINSTEIN, was a friend and roommate of MAXWELL 
FINESTONE, who was alleged to be the last individual recruited 
by. JULIUS ROSENBERG, a Soviet agent, in his espionage network ' 
and. on information indicating that WEINSTEIN loaned his 194.9 
Buick convertible automobile to FINESTONE to drive JULIUS 
ROSENBERG to Ithaca, New York, where. he. pinked up espionage / 
material from one ALFRED TYRANT ♦ 

A . BACKGROUND 

1, Birth Data and Citizenship Status 

The records of the Department of Health, New.Yoyk, 

New York, reflect that EDWARD JAMES WEINSTEIN was born, on',’ 

July 17, 1926, in the Borough of Manhattan. His father was 
listed as JOSEPlf'^El^NSTETN, twenty-six years of age, machinist, 
and born at New ‘York City, His mother was listed as HILDA 
\4^UFMAN, nineteen years of age, born at New York City. Their 
residence at that time was reflected as 235 West 76th Street, 
New York, New York, 

2. Education 


Dates 


School 


Source 


1930-194.4 

7 / 4/44 - 
6/13/49 


September, 
1949 - 
May, 1950 


Walden School 
1 West 68th Street 
New York, New York 

College of Arts and 
Sciences, Cornell 
University, Ithaca, 

New York. (Military 
leave 12/5/44 - fall 

of 1646, graduated with 
A.B. degree, 1949) 

Columbia University 
Law School 
Columbia University 
New York, New York 


The records of 
Columbia University, 
New York, New York, 

The records of Cornell 
University, Ithaca, 

New York. 


Admissions Office, 
Columbia University, 
New York, New York. 




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3» Marital >*^tatU 3 


Investigation in this case failed to reflect any 
marriage of the subject. 


I|.» Milit^y Service Record 

The record's of the Naval Records Management Center,... 

/ Garden City, Long Island, New York, reflect that JAMES WEINSTEIN, 
/ Naval Serial No« 910-69-31* entered the Navy as an Apprentice 
f Seaman on January 10, 1911-5* at New York, New York, and was subse- 

quently discharged with the rating of Electronics Technician's 
Mate, Second Class, at Lido Beach, Long Island, New York, on- 
July 23, 191^6. 

,,v The records-further indicate that prior to entering the 

•.4 Navy he attended Cornell University for one year in 1944* where 
he majored in chemistry* He Indicated that his leisure hours 
were spent in painting and photography. At the time of his 
separation from the United States Navy, he stated that he was 
born on July 17, 1926, at New York, New York; that his residence 
was 211 Central Park West, New York, New York; that his father's 
name was JOSEPH v/EINSTETN; that his mother's name was BOBBIE 
■^^ ^^EINST ^N ; that he was single, 

5, EiTOl.oyment 


Pates 

Summers, 

1940-1043 


1 / 4/51 - 
2 / 6/51 


6/13/51 -• 
6/14/51 


PI f'.ce 


Source 


The Lar.y J. R, Ranch 
Pecolotenos, New Mexico 
Emplr^yed on cattle ranch 
during summers. 


Road, 

Lafayette, California, 
and tbe records of 
Cornell University. 



The Mark Simpson Company 

49 th Street 

Long Island City 

New York 

Tester 


Ehployee records of 
Mark Simpson Company 
49th Street 
Long Island City- 
New York 


The Anton Electronic 
Laboratori es 
1226 Flushing Avenue 
Brooklyn, New York 



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Anton Electronic 

Laboratories 


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9/4/51 - 
6/17/52 


8/13/52 - 
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Place 

The David Bogen Company 
29 Ninth Avenue 
Njew Tork, New York 
Audio tester 


Emerson Radio and 
Television Company 
li|.th and Cole Streets 
Jersey City, New Jersey 
PinsLl . tester, television. 


Source 



Department 

The David Bogen 

Company 

29 Ninth Avenue 
New York,. New York 

The records of the 
Emerson Radio and 
Television Company. 

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A check of the personnel records, at. the Bherson Radio 
and Television Company, 14 th and. Cole Streets , Jersey City, 

New Jersey, on December 11, 1953» reflected that the subject 
continues to be employed as a final tester.of television s ets 
and is not engaged on any Government or classified contracts, 

6 c Residences 


1942-19ll-il. 


211 Central Park West 
New York, New York 


19 3ij. *1911.2 15 West 75th Street 

New York, New York 

I 944 -I 9 I 1.9 303 College Avenue 

Ithaca, New York 


516 Stuart Avepue 
Ithaca, New York 


February, 211 Central Park West 

19il-9 - New York, New York 

December, 

1.949 


T-]3, another Govern- 
ment agency main tain in 
personnel records. 


Records of 
Cornell University 
Ithaca, New York 

Records of 
Cornell University 
Ithaca, New York 

Columbia University 

Law School 

New York, New York 

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194-9 - New York, New York 

Aori Ip 

1952 


Aoril, 1952 - 101 St„ Marks- Place 

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I 9 Basis for Invest^ e-atl on 


T-1, of unknown reliability, ha*: advised that JULIUS 
ROSENBERG told him that the last man he recruited into his 
organization, which was interpreted by the informant to mean 
recruited into the JULIUS ROSENBERG espionage organization.* 
was a man who lived with the son of a wealthy family* JULIUS 
ROSENBERG further described this son of a wealthy family as 
owning a 19l|-9 or 1950 black Buick convertible with a white topj 
as one who had studied law but did not practice it| was a 
personal friend of Attorney 0, JOHNiRpGGE; and one who had 
considerable ideological arguments with his familye ROSENBERG 
fxirther stated to the informant that this son of a wealthy 
family loaned his automobile to the aforementioned last man 
recruited into his eepionage organization for the ptirpose of 
driving ROSENBERG to Ithacaj, New York* to see one ALFRED 
SARANT and to make a pickup of espionage material* 

ROSENBERG further advised the Informant that this 
last recruited man was probably the, individual who contacted 
one VIVIAN^LASSMAN for^he Russians and sent her to Cleveland 
to contact bne WTLLIAW|/S^L and of fared, him $ 2*000 in order 
to facilitate a flirht to Mexico* 

2. Identification of EDWARD JAMES WFTNSTKTN 


a* Personal FrTond of 0. J, ROGGE 

0. J, ROGGE adv'sed SA. JOHN A. tiarrtngtON on June 21* 
1951p that he is personally acquainted v:ith one. JAMES V/E'^NSTEIN 
and his father, JOSEPH WEINSTEIN* ROGGE stated that ’•JEINSTETN 
is a wealthy clothing manufacturer in New York City and that 
he has legally represented him on occasions in the past* 

ROGGE advised that JOSEPH WNSTKTN had told him that 
his son* JAMES, had rebelled against their wishes and had moved 
out of their apartment at 211 Central Park VJest, No\; York* 

New York, and had taken an apartment on the lower East Side. of 
New York* 416 East 9 th Street* New York, New York* JOSEPH j 
WEINSTEIN related to ROGGE that his son* JAMFJS* was a stubborn 
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his father believed to be too "radical ROGGE stated that 
he talked to JAMES V/ EL KSTETK pertaining to this and other 
■ matters and tried to convince him tc continue his law studies 
and had recommended that he could study with hisp ROGGE's^ 
son who was also a law student, 

b e Lives With Son of V/ e althy Family 

The records of the Credit Bureau of Greater New York 
reflect that JOSEPH VJETNSTEIN, who is the father of JAMES 
WEINSTEIN, is the president of the Versailles Garrnent Corporation, 
^4-70 Seventh Avenue, New Yprk, New York, a ladles garment manu- 
facturing concern, 

Co Ovrns a Black Convertible Bujek 


jt The records of the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, Department 
of Taxation and Finance, State of New York, 80 Centre Street, 

New York, New York, vrere reviewed on June 22, 1951, The r ecords 
reflected that JAMES kTSINSTETN had owned a 19ii.O and a 1914-9 
Buick convertible coupe. 

On October 15, 1951, Mr, HOWARD E, GUDALIA, Broadwest 
Motor Car Corporation, 2 West blst Street, New York, New York, 
advised SAS ROBERT F, ROYAL and RICHARD T. HRADSKY that he 
purchased from JAMES WEINSTEIN, 418 East 9th Street, New York, 
New York, a 1949 Buick, Model 55C, convertible. Motor Noc 
53^37655, bearing Registration No, 20-9296 during the morning 
of July 19, 1950, for the price of $1,800« 

d. Had Id eological Argtim ents with his F am ily 


It is noted that,, as previously set out, ROGGE stated 
that JOSEPH WEINSTEIN had /related to him that his son, JAMES, 
was a stubborn, headstrong boy who had upset him over his 
associates, whom his father believed to be- too "radical," 

JOSEPH WEINSTEIN advised him that his son, JAMES WEINSTEIN, 
had rebelled and had walked out of their apartment. 

On August ;'l, EETiO K. TOLMUNEN, Superinuendent, ' 

418 East 9th Street, New Yoi’k, New Yoj’k, ,adv i sed that individuals 
I by the names of MA)^JetNE^-TONE‘ and JAMES WET.NSTEtN resided Ifi 
Apartment B-2 of this buMding, • 


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Miss MELISANDE *' NON]\T''"€OHGDON, 123 West 23rd 
Street, New York, New York, has advised that ii/.X FIKc^STONE 
had told her that he occasionally had use of WLINSTEIN ' s 
1949 Buick convertible and that all he had to dc was ask 
k^EINSTLIN for it and that he would loan the car tc him. 

Miss CONGDOK stated that at the time she met FIIjESTONE in 
November, 1949, and the ensuing months thereafter in which 
she heard about him through others, he had made several 
trips to Ithaca, New York. She stated that when he mentioned 
a trip to Ithacii^, New York, he would avoid details.. 


T-1 has advised that JULIUS ROSENBERG cannot 
drive a car which necessitated an individual to drive him 
to Ithaca, New York. 


3» Information Concerning; MAXkElLL FINESTQI'JE 

GARE^TK ''GARY’‘^^C KiiRD, 711 Seventh Avenue, 

Las Vegas, Nevaoa, who currently resides, in Mexico .City, 
was interviewed on June 12., 195l> By SAS RObr-RT F. ROYAL 
and RICHARD T. HRADSKY at the United States Court House, 

New York, New York, and he advised that he was employed 
atVRadip.. Station KRAFi. in Las Vegas, Nevada, as an announcer 
ana that hei w rites for the mazazine "Fabulous Las Vegas" 
located there. 


PICKARD advised that he was a graduate of Cornell 
University, Ithaca, Hew York. J'ICKARD slated that he met 
MAX FINIjS'tONE while at Cornell University and v:as in one 
class with him. Following his graduation, PICIARD returned 
to New York City in October. 1^49, to obtain a jot and 
again met FII'ffiSTON’E. Together they started to look for' 
work. He and IINESTONE obtained a job at the American 
Research Bureau and at the Psychological Corporation, 

New Tbrit, New York. 

PICKARD was residing, at that time with Ms 
parents at Pleasantvlllo... New "Vurk. Uj^ion coinnlatp .ng 
to I'lNEoTONE that the travel t ir-; to M-.d frem I.o'v Yoi ]i 
■City was consuming too much of hi.s t'mo, FIN’LGTOI.’E invited 
PICKARD to stay with him any tixae he wished. t'lNEGTONE i 
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friends, FIl'IESTOl.'E io.'k xl'Ji’Ji.-i.' Lf.' 65 I 'Jrl- :< "treeij, 

New Yorkp New York, where FIKhSTOICi was res .dinro 
told PICKARD that thie apartment belonged to friendr and that 
he, PICKARD, could move into it if he cared tc, although it 
would be a temporary arrangement as he did not know bow long 
his friends would be away, 

I 

PICKARD IV nd nt 65 Kort'on Street, Kev Yo’-kg 
New York, with f’lNESTONE until the end. ol Jr. nu . i'>50, but 
in December, 1949, FINrISTONE mentiored tV.-.-it. ho war gainr, to 
get another apartment and if PlCK/iRD wished, he could join 
him, PICKARD stated that FINKSTCNE made arrange mont.i with 
JAI<iSS VjEIKSTEIN to secure an apartment and that FINiCTOlE 
moved from 65 Korton Street, Hew York, New York, to 412 
East 9t.h Street, New York, New York, about the third week 
of January, 

PICKARD stated that he lived alone at 65 Morton 
Street sfx'r about s w»*ck. and that about the end of January 
the superintendent of 65 Morton Street Informed him that 
he would have to be out in a few days as the apartment had 
been rente'd' to new tenants, 

PICKARD continued that FINESTONE returned to 
help move the furniture into the basement of the apartment 
building. He stated that after he and FINESTONF had finished 
the irjovlng, they packed his clothes, A tall, slcndor man. 
walked into the apartment, looked around in ell iho rooms, 
and walked out of the apartment into the hallvmy, V'hen 
PICKARD finished packing hie clotlicc, he stepped lnt''< the 
hallway and found the rail, slender man and a ediorter mnn 
talking to FINESToNEo FIHx^.STOM: introducGd the :> to 
PICKARD as "BILL" end " BRUCE," 

PICKARD har. 1 dpnt if ed a photograph of V.'II.iIjj Ak 
PERL and of ViELDON LRUCE^l^YTON as the two rion talking to 
FINESTONE, 

PICKARD d’d not -rr-rnll n:;y on .iifit 

ensued but recalled that FINED noird had l 1949 black Buick , 
convertible that belonged to JAI^FS V.'EIPr.TF.IN p.-irked outnido; 
of 65 Morton Street and that PICKARD placed hlo cloUilng 
in the car, after which, all four* ent-ered th‘'. can jujd di ovo 
away. PICKARD beJieven that JFHL and D*hYTOK' got out at 
a subway station a fev; blocks from 65 .iorton Street, 


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PICKARD stated he does not recall ever S^’e'ing ‘ .*■ * 
Dayton again but stated he did see WILLIAM PERL again in"'* 
the spring of 1950. 

PICKARD related that inasmuch as he hod to leave 
65 Morton Street rather unexpectedly he had no place to 
live in Nev;. York City so FIKESTONE and WEINSTEIN, who were 
then residing at UlG'East 9th Street, New York, New York, 
took him into their apartment until he could find quarters. 
This date was about February 1, 1950, and he stayed there 
about one and one-half months without paying rent. 

PICKARD advised that shortly after moving In 
with FIRESTONE and WEINSTEIN, they had a housewarming 
party at which a large number of people were present. It 
was on this occasion that he remembers seeing WILLIfld PERL 
for the second time. 

PICKARD was shown a photograph of VIVIAN GLASSMAN 
and he recalls having seen her but cannot associate her with 
the housewarming party. He identified a photograph of 
VIVIAN GLASSMAN’ 3 siter, ELEANOR GLASSMAN ap a girl who 
was at the party ond recalled that she was sitting on the 
couch with WILLIAM PERL. PICKARD placed this date as 
about February, 1950. 

PICKARD recalled that VIVIAN GLASSi'lAN telephoned 
the 418 East 9th Street apartment on occasions and that 
he took moosages from hei* for MAX FIRESTONE. He stated 
that he recalls tViat VIVIAN GLASSMAN was a very rapid 
opoakor. 




T-1 has advised that .TDIJUS ROSENBfilRG told him 
that D fourth of July weekend in possibly 1949 (bellovod to 
be IVjo July fourt>i weekend of 1940), WILLIAM PERL brought 
to the ROSENBERG homo secret material from Columbia University. 
ROSENBERG sent out of town for an Individual with a Loloa 
camera, and together with a fourth man, they photographed 
for seventeen hourfi without, interruption. 

The informant .statod that the Individual who was 
brought from out of town, according to information ho had ; 
recolvod from JULIUS ROSENBERG, was a man fi’om Cleveland, 

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July 3» This nati^i'lsl was obtained throu^'h tho 

Tuptn Laboratory* Colunibio University, IJew York, ik.v; York. 


Tho records of the IJalional Advisory Ooroinittee on 
Aviation in Cleveland, have reflected that WILLIAM 

J'KnL was on annual leave from Juno 26, 1946 through 
July 9, 1946. 

From a review of the 194® calender, the July 

fourth weekend would have included July third* Saturday, 
July fourth, Sunday, and July Monday. 


The fcllouing io a physical description of 
MAXWLLL l> IhLSTOhL : 


Name 

Current Address 

Date of Birth 

Piece of Birth 

Race 

Weight 

Height 

Marital Status 
Wife 


Maxwell ' piNESTONE ' ' 
106 Bedford Place 
New York, Now York 
July 28, 1922 
Boston, Massachusetts 
White 


160 lbs. 

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February 19, 1953» 
New York, New York 


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Intervie w wi t h VIV IAN 

VIVIAN GIASSMAN was Interviewed by SAS RICllAinn T. 
IIRAhSKY' arid ROf'.linT F. ROYAL nt her apartment, ^A, I 3 I 
East 7th Street, New York, Now York, on the evening of 
August 3 , 1950 , She advised that she had formerly boon a . 
girlfriend of JOEL BARR and this relationship continued until 
the time that he at Hod for Europe In January, 19il8. She 


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and having introd^cd hiniiolf as a friend of her fomor 
boyfriend p JC/ijr.^jT^ca. end Ir'dlcatlnr; in eoise uni he bad 
been c^'^nnected with i-AliR^s leaving the countrjp requested 
that rhe rhould go to dlovelnndp Ohiop and contact a 
l:'icn:i or hors \)ho wn;; an aoronautlcnl engin-^erc 

dhie \tvn.x,i :' .n fiirLli i r;tr, lou that, thi;; 
arrc'naut-i:al enginuor al:-io pf VlViah";. ai .i.ci'p 

i.LhAiiO;f->^jf.S,-imU« stated that this utiknouii ii.an 

gave hoT' in ten and tt.'enty dvollar bills and gave 

her ver-l'l instructions to take this irioney to the ongineerp 
i/hc she lx.lirved to be V.'lLi-iAH PdRLj, and stated that he- 
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T-2, of known reliability, advised on Ootobor 17, 
1951 p that JAlltS WEinSTLIU, 211 Central Park V/ost, New ^ork. 
New iork, maintained o cdienking; af'count at the Industrial 
Bank of Comcaei'cc of YOi'k, 56 Bat,.t )^2nd Street., Nev; York, 
Now Y'ork, He advicod that on duly 19, 1950p WtlNbTEIN 
deposited vlp^^OO to his ehockinp, account* ne further- advised 
that on July 20, 1950, VJt^IhOTjlIN v;ithdrew m-7>500 from this 
account. 


Tho above informaticn furnished by T-2 was furnished 
on a conflciontlal bajsia and should not be made public v;itboub 
the prior issuance of a subpoena duces tecum. 

5 . rocumentatlons of Individuals 

JULIUS and l/fHEL ROSENBERG 

.niLIUS and LTHh.L ROSEiJBbKG, along with i-h)RT0N SOBLLL, 
v;ore convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage In behalf 
of the Soviet Union on iiarch 29, 1951. On April 5p 195lp 
.TUldUS and ETHFL ROStUajJRi at i,bo United States District 
Court, South^n District of iiovj York, \iiere sentenced to death 
and K()RT0If**v5UELLL to tVilrty years in prison. On Jxins 19, 

1953 » JULIUS and r-THLI. ibiShhliEriii were or.ccutod at Sing Sing 
Prison, Gsainlnp., New VotUc, and jlunTOH SOBKLI. is currently 
serving his prison sentence at tho United States Peni tentiary, 
Alcatraz, California. 

yilLL IAn PIRL, 

V.'ILI.TAH i'rJPL was convicted on tv/o nounbs of perjury 
on hay 22, 1953 p f‘t the United States District Court, Southern 
District of how , l.>- wit: that ho x^na not acnualiitod with 

Ji]J,lUS RO.P iUPr.WCJ and lO'dlON SohuLL. On June 5, 1953 p WILLIAM 
PKRlj was sentenced to i‘ivc years imprl sorunent and is currently 
serving hie sentence at Ih'' United States Penitentiary, 

Ten 0 Ilautf.-, Indiana, 


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Ai>FhLD SAR.-.nT adviced ,• AS lil'.IblAU 
ROILRT F. ilOYAL on .luly 25, i950p that be 
65 Horton Street, Aj)artinont 6-1, New York, 
October, 19i^3p to SeptomUoi*, 19 ) 41 ^, and he 
3Ub-loased his apartment to JOKL leFiR and 


C. Li'T'j i and 

resided at 
New York, from 
subsequoiitly 
WILLIAM PERL. 



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iil.n Ixed c'j. t;hiri (raj, uuc cl oc Irl c It -• ) 

J'rr>M October 2p l?i43>i t-'"' I'Cbrucr.Y 1* 19^0® 

T“1 ad V lard tint J«ILXU.l ROri ur.bnG told lib-a 
Uiut- Ar.I'Rj !' 3Ai'i/u,i wca u iiiwij.ib ..r o,f hie cr-plom>-;c 'iwj'fij'-'ttaso 
T-1 ft.'jdod t.l'.at JuT-i.1; j als'O tnlil h ra tiini: bA’inhc 

aaf-: lii i'iu; cj)o« 

Y.TOhs of MaHAhi p' 160 West 

horrlcbp bald ./i ri, hc'c;:, lalnndp advised on iui 3 ,ust Rp 193'9 * 
thcl, Ahl’iii,); r.A.It-.KT had tcon visiting his relotlvfif. at 
halrtwinp hoag Islaicip in the lattei* part of It’^Oo 

Diu’lng this visit he was Joined by one CAROL PAY'J’OK, v;ife 
of WKNDLLL BRUCE DAY’IOl-Jp n next-door neighbor at Ithacup 
Mac' Yorho It is to be noted that AI.’. RiJj SARAKT during 
this pro'iorl of ti.v v>v: r^'. r-J d.i ng ot Itiiccap Mevj ‘'.'orlfo 
AccordJn,' to Iir,'>o 1- j /'■ •jh.'f} i » R/.i./iTr find CAif 
cieooj'ied t ro'ii lYt Id.ji/i, i,oti|; 'Jslancip <'.n angunt p lv59p to 
rf't.urn t.o ttr-l.j' rv! r, ct, I ve hn.-.>->,^, in lih.'icr.p he;: Yo)‘hp V.'Ut 
apjiaj'ently tlicir Itinerar.v was ohsngod f.t this point and 
])irt'nul of re l.uTMi! nr, if' ithr^f.o^ th<-f prococcawi In l^iRAhT * r- 
sut.oiuob i i( t.o the of hu'e ano lire# lAlHAhh JA.; ;;',I.??lAIJia.op 

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DAVID in J’.jIvj, 3 950, acivined GAS 

JOHN Wo Li.v. l;; nnd Li'.O J] o A'.’iuivlN thul .tUijIUG HO'J.i.BjvRG 
told him In February^ 1950j, that JOlH. DARR had left the 
United States In 194^ to do espionage v;ork for the 
Russians in Europe and that B/'RR hod been one of 
ROSEilEERG'a espionage contacts o GREENGL/iSS also stated 
that JOEL BARR was a close friend of JULIUS ROSENBERG. 


'i'-l advised that JULIUS ROSi.HEERti told him that 
UOEL BARR wus a couT’ier i or the Russians and wns in 
Elurope . 


DAVID GREEKGLASS and 
RUTH GRriENGt.ASB 


DAVID GREEUGLAOS and his wife, RUTH GREENGLASS, 
have advl;',ed that W'.ri' rvJcioltcd l.o work in the 


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Soviet oor)iouipyn a, .j *;., 5 .t i ur; 

GIU'„ -.itiLr. ■; K'as scnleticcd or Aprli 6, 19pl _ 

Sun tor, District Gourt, Soni.lirri, oistriet of New Vopk, 
fifi.een yx:i\rs imprisoiuneitt nlttU' ^iittcring a ple.i of 
guilty t.o conspiracy to i-.orii.-ni t ocf' i njjage . iic 1;> •: ui rcntly 
servingff .jontojicu In the Unlt''-d itnir's i’oiil tfni ti ary, , 

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'TioNs uCTii corii-iurJi:^T 
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■i'-3> of ]cjjov.’ii i-ol iabll ity j i,.bVLoed oji Or.tobcr 13* 

1946* thiit the nuiae. JAii'ir, lli'.'ilhi'i'l.ii'l appeared ou a staff 
member list of "Younc; J^roerr r ?;! .'e leaue Uoc 1, December 13, 
194G» The inforrannt stated that according to this issue, 
"Young Progressive'’ is iho ol'flcia.1 organ of tlio New York 
State Young i’rogrcfjsivos. of America* 

T-4» of knovrn roll ability, advised that the Yoimg 
Progrencivos of America juS an organization comprised of 
both Communists and non-Coiomunists, and although the 
Young Pr'ogressives of Aioerlen Is not a Communist-dominated 
organization, it does receive the support of the Communist 
Party* 


T-5, of known reliability, advised on February 4s 
1950 » that informt.tion vjars contained In the records of the 
District Office of the Ooituuunist Pari-ys dSA, 25^ .'South 
iiroad gt.vv et, Plil] ruii'-l.-h ' i'enno;; 1 vanii- , th'.t .io;!-:?; 
V.';.:TK3''IiIiJ was iicv-nof err-' d rron O*ornell Unlvcrsl L:^ to 
Columbia Law School* 


The "Dally lini'kr.i-*" an o-it Coast Oortjriunl at 
newspaper, issue of Au; u O. 1, I'- .O, jCip,-- 3» column 3s 
I’cf ie ctftd that jAHr'.r. ' ’ ’ cd‘''i'i'; iJ'., '' uun.., '■rogreseiv':s of 
America (ii'A) '^•’giuil '.no- Dl/co toi, an'i lid;. CLlil’i'Un, 

State DliCftOj' of tlin had enSl'i) Iho Hayoa-'r orflee 

in Nci.' iork Cl. t’; t.o pr - -d the ; (>.1 Icf.; bun on n pe.;ico 
r/;lly .nclieuulcd to Im. li id ori S-uj'.'uii. .-’p 195^s st dnlna 
'.V), Noij Yoi'k, Nn; /oil:.* 


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‘1-6, oi‘ iuioja j 1 J 'lb J J. it, y , adv.i.s(!d on April 
195c, Uu.'t a l(;tter eticl xig two dollar a for tvauiiy 
(■'0]'\t3a of "T'loi Puj-'k' i'i" th-’ Suiudiv edition of tbo '’Dail 


WoT'kor," dated i.arch 
Wr-:ii:r.Ti:iN, Now Yfui, 


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